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Idea #18641: Animated Icons

Written by trustno1uk the 16 Mar 09 at 20:43. Category: Usability. Related project: Nothing/Others. Status: New
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Icons that represent valuable information at first glance can really save you some time.
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Solution #1: Beyond Icons
Written by trustno1uk the 16 Mar 09 at 20:43.
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Some users don’t care about emptying their thrash and also use it as another folder at times, this will remind them to empty it.

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I know Linux does not need fragmenting but the other stuff looks pretty nice.

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REF: http://www.kumailht.com/blog/linux/10-features-ubuntu-should-implement/
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Solution #2: Follow HIG guidelines
Written by 311005901 the 21 Mar 09 at 20:39.
HIG addresses this issue. Take a look over at the GNOME website.
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Solution #3: HIG above Doesn't quite address the issue, Solution #2
Written by codexx the 1 Apr 09 at 06:20.
Here is a quote of an animated icon guideline (note the "not usually" part)- i don't think users would want hundreds of animated icons that mean nothing...they should have a useful function (such as the OP showed).

----- From HIG section of Solution #2 website
2.4.3. Animation
Guidelines

* Icons should not usually appear animated. They may change to indicate a change of state, but should not do so when that change is occurs regularly rapidly. A battery status indicator would usually change slowly, therefore an icon is appropriate. By contrast, a load meter would always be changing, therefore it should use a flat image.

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Caveat: That quote above applied to Status notification zone

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Solution #4: Don't create animated icons.
Written by barberio the 4 Apr 09 at 11:47.
There are several reasons not to have animated icons.

1) Performance Hit. Requires a process managing animation of icons, takes up additional graphics hardware resources.
2) Usability. Imagine a desktop presenting you with ten different icons, all animated, each changing what information it displays every second. This would increase visual clutter, and produce 'information overload'. It would give the appearance of lots of extra data, but wouldn't be 'at a glance' due to the amount of data competing for attention.
3) Accessibility. A step backwards by moving to something based solely on visual cues, with no way to enhance them for reduced vision users.
4) Multiplication of User Interfaces. This duplicates the intent of the Notification system, and taskbar 'widgets' and 'applets'. 'At a Glance Notification' should be restricted to these UI functions to minimize both user confusion and program design complexity.

While this idea is 'cool' and looks neat on paper, it doesn't bring a whole extra functionality to offset it's downsides.
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Solution #6: Small applications written in C
Written by Alexander the 7 Apr 09 at 21:25.
Just like the bootsplash-applications, the icons could be quick functions written in C. They could take a float from 0.0 to 1.0 and the image size as input and return an array of pixels. The functions could create vector graphics, load png's from elsewhere, load svg's from elsewhere or draw their own graphics from scratch. A well written function like this should be as quick as loading an image and quicker than using SVG-files.

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Brightis wrote on the 17 Mar 09 at 12:52
Great Ideas. Especially the trash one. Those involved in ubuntu need to get real and start doing things that the public would like rather than just doing things that form their point of view are cool.

Lachu wrote on the 17 Mar 09 at 16:08
KDE4 would use svg icons.

OpenNingia wrote on the 17 Mar 09 at 16:55
Good Idea :) means hard work for icon designer :)

kidmodify wrote on the 19 Mar 09 at 21:57
+1 I like the trash icons.
Please add a fith one as well, the trash can could be tipped over and raccoons could be rummaging through it.

dzvinka.mytsyk wrote on the 20 Mar 09 at 22:20
great idea! cant wait when it will be actually implemented. i also liked whether and daytime desktops in the provided page http://www.kumailht.com/blog/linux/10-features-ubuntu-should-implement/


Craig73 wrote on the 21 Mar 09 at 14:02
I don't mind the idea... except I can never really see my desktop

Vinny-pooh wrote on the 21 Mar 09 at 16:41
Great idea !!!

alexandros.java wrote on the 23 Mar 09 at 18:47
+1
Cool, but how are the icons going to be used?

JohnLM wrote on the 24 Mar 09 at 01:40
Interesting idea! A bit unusual, yet it won't hurt if it were implemented. So I voted up!

@Lachu
GNOME also supports SVG, btw

Martin von Wittich wrote on the 24 Mar 09 at 20:21
I like the icons, but I don't like the concept of "reminding users to empty the trash". Abandon the idea that trash has to be emptied - it's whole point is that you can restore deleted files long after having deleted them.
Back in the days when I was using Windows, I used to desperately empty the trash every single time I deleted a file, just because the icon looked messy and I wanted it 'clean'. Since I overcame this, the trash is actually of use ;)

I do delete big files though when I want to free space. But for the small ones, I don't really care.

lxowle wrote on the 25 Mar 09 at 07:53
Remember, some people use ubuntu for work and presentations. Having a fly blown rubbish bin at the corner of the screen does not look professional. Additionally, there is no reason why users shouldn't be able to leave files in the trash - perhaps suggesting they are messy shouldn't really be judgment of the os?

mydoghasworms wrote on the 25 Mar 09 at 13:23
Solution #1 -1: The trash can icons look really nice, but how do they look at smaller resolutions? I know there is already something like the progress indicator for writing CDs, so that's actually done already. What else can they be used for?

lolren wrote on the 26 Mar 09 at 02:10
+1 ... people mark wants a better desktop experience than osX.this icons are a step closer.At course the look is a very strong point for people to use linux, just like compiz (fusion) was and still is.And you designers, wanna make ubuntu 9.10 different, you think changing the theme is your strongest point? thik again. you have another solution, why not make something of iit instead of ignore it?

ManishSinha wrote on the 26 Mar 09 at 06:22
@lxowle

I can understand that it might not look professional, but it will remind people that they need to clean their Trash. Maybe the icons can be made less filthy.

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Normal and Less Disk Space could be two most useful.
Needs defrag would hardly be used.

on5sl (Idea reviewer) wrote on the 26 Mar 09 at 18:49
I really demote the idea (in my opinion) of the current guidelines for gnome icons. These terrible old fashioned. A better solution would be the make those guidelines more modern. Almost every OS uses icons with 3D effects and shiny icons.

sf_007 wrote on the 26 Mar 09 at 23:47
awesome! +1

tchalvakspam wrote on the 27 Mar 09 at 22:23
There doesn't seem to be any issue with the guidelines on the 3D and shiny front to me, they're simple, clear, and they DO say that icons should be 3D and shadowed and the like.

trustno1uk wrote on the 28 Mar 09 at 15:48
I can't see much issue with the guidelines but if there is an issue in my view it is because the guidelines are dated and need reviewing

christopher_olah wrote on the 28 Mar 09 at 16:08
This is based on my post ( http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18740/ ):

I think that this (using pretty animated icons for specific files) is a good idea, however I think that it could be implemented in a bad (or a good way).

The implementation should be:
- flexible: people don't necessarily want use the default hierarchy.
- not filesystem specific

To this end, I think that the best solution is to check for a executable file dir/.dirpic (or similar) which prints the path to the file that should be used as the icon for this folder... This way there can be a wide variety of conditions which deside which icon should be displayed. There would of course be a default fall back icon for which there is no dir/.dirpic...

clickwir wrote on the 30 Mar 09 at 16:37
Whoever made these icon's really is trying hard to get them into Ubuntu. Honestly, I don't see the need for them and can see them causing a lot of overhead.

1) I don't think this is a good idea. 2) If, somehow, it did get implimented, it should be like desktop composting and be optional. *I* would not like all these icon updates slowing down my laptop, eating up battery life.

Stane wrote on the 30 Mar 09 at 22:15
Do you need icons? Implement something like wdock and you can get all the icons over the net!
Can do something wild for 9.04!

codexx wrote on the 1 Apr 09 at 06:24
I would like to see an animated icon with a Burning Flame on top of a mounted blank dvd when a burning app is minimised but writing to the dvd, maybe with it slowly turning black and crispy as the burning progress is updated

andrewm wrote on the 2 Apr 09 at 05:22
Low HDD space is a good one.

I'd only recommend the CD/DVD one if the disc is read/write capable formatted as such, what's the point of knowing how much space is left if you can't do anything with it?

For the recycle bin I think libnotify already reminds you if you're low on space and haven't cleaned out the recycle bin.

If something is wrong with the HDD health I think it should be immediately reported to the user via a libnotify dialog just like battery recalls!

jhuni wrote on the 3 Apr 09 at 10:50
In SVG you can store several images in a single file. The glines game uses this technique to animate the balls after they are clicked. It shouldn't be too hard to do the same type of thing here.

The real question is: How often would you update the state of the icons? Whenever you log in? Whenever they are painted on the screen?

deriamis wrote on the 4 Apr 09 at 17:52
This is a great idea to spruce-up the visual impact of Ubuntu, especially for the average desktop user, but the problem is that no user I have ever seen actually uses the desktop correctly. Either they never see the desktop at all (which means these icons just waste resources) or they put too much on their desktop and can't see anything at a glance (which means these icons just waste resources).

This idea is wonderful, but it will in the end only add resource usage to the system without any significant benefit simply because people rarely use the desktop in a manner to justify these icons.

I think what's being proposed here is actually a fundamental shift in how the desktop is utilized by the user, and that's no simple task. I also don't know if it's possible for Ubuntu alone to bring about that kind of paradigm shift. It's probably worth exploring the idea of how the desktop can help the user in a larger sense, though.

trustno1uk wrote on the 5 Apr 09 at 22:43
In response to option 4. There is a performance hit with everything and this is an argument I hear all the time. My personal opinion and I think probably the opinion of most people is that on a server performance is a critical thing but when it comes to a desktop os most people are happy to have a performance hit if it means everything being prettified and functional As long as nothing is allowed to get as dog slow as vista it would be fine. As for usability most people see just because some people can't it doesn't mean visual features should not be added and part of the update could be for the animations also to have voice responses. Also on the usability front as per the HIG guidelines I agree animations should not be used where there are constant changes like to display memory or cpu usages but for processes like cd/dvd burning this should be fine and functional. I do kinda agree with point 4 but the current notification framework means you can't action notifications this is obviously not the case with icons so maybe what is shown here is the perfect compliment to current features.

maix wrote on the 6 Apr 09 at 19:08
> Some users don’t care about emptying their thrash and also use it as another folder at times, this will remind them to empty it.
So let them do it! I only delete files from my trash when the disk is getting full, and then only the older ones. That way I know I can restore files if I later do need them, so I delete more files, so my disk is tidier :)

jhuni wrote on the 8 Apr 09 at 07:51
Ya I agree this makes some people empty their trash when they otherwise wouldn't and there isn't any significant advantage to doing so I mean if you don't empty your trash then you be able to restore things later that might be important.

toucher5 wrote on the 8 Apr 09 at 17:38
I like this idea but it should only refer to items that the user places on a panel or something similar. I think that the icons definitely need some polish to them in the coming releases but users can implement this on gnome-look or other sites for customization. I would like to see at least a .deb or other installer to implement this as an option. Maybe not the main theme.

xfuser4 wrote on the 9 Apr 09 at 11:11
It's a nice idea from an aesthetic point of view. But I think, it is not useful...

Why we need an animated icon for CD burning? If I burn a CD I have a look at the burning application.

Most of the time my desktop is hidden by other windows. So I don't see any value in this. At least *my grandmother* [TM] wouldn't understand the sense of such icons, shown in the fragmentation example...

A central view for running processes (like burning, copying, downloading) would be much worthier! Also useful automated notifications, if something goes wrong (like large disk fragmentation or disk failures), are more helpful.

nandayo wrote on the 14 Apr 09 at 12:44
Those trash icones are ugly ! This is a really bad idea to make a so dirty trash, really disgusting >_

sayakb (Brainstorm admin) wrote on the 15 Apr 09 at 16:29
Solution #5 "Create an addon" deleted as of having irrelevant reports.

andruk (Idea reviewer) wrote on the 1 May 09 at 02:05
While I would agree with the majority of commenters that the trash icons are too dirty and not professional.

On the other hand, it does makes sense that the CD icon would show the space left, and the hard drive icon would show drive status (the hard drive error icon reminds me of the old "printer is on fire" error messages).

I would simply like to point out that Solution #6 is a gaping security hole - users will then be prompted to install trojaned icon packs (which makes us more like Windows in a bad way). At the very least, the C interface would have to be limited to "safe" calls anyway. I think it is too little benefit for too much risk. That's just my opinion.

Pacemaker wrote on the 8 Jun 09 at 21:59
kidmodify wrote on the 19 Mar 09 at 21:57 Report as spam / offensive
+1 I like the trash icons.
Please add a fith one as well, the trash can could be tipped over and raccoons could be rummaging through it.

That's what I thought as well! Brilliant. Especially the bin!

+1


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