Great Ideas. Especially the trash one. Those involved in ubuntu need to get real and start doing things that the public would like rather than just doing things that form their point of view are cool.
I like the icons, but I don't like the concept of "reminding users to empty the trash". Abandon the idea that trash has to be emptied - it's whole point is that you can restore deleted files long after having deleted them.
Back in the days when I was using Windows, I used to desperately empty the trash every single time I deleted a file, just because the icon looked messy and I wanted it 'clean'. Since I overcame this, the trash is actually of use ;)
I do delete big files though when I want to free space. But for the small ones, I don't really care.
Remember, some people use ubuntu for work and presentations. Having a fly blown rubbish bin at the corner of the screen does not look professional. Additionally, there is no reason why users shouldn't be able to leave files in the trash - perhaps suggesting they are messy shouldn't really be judgment of the os?
Solution #1 -1: The trash can icons look really nice, but how do they look at smaller resolutions? I know there is already something like the progress indicator for writing CDs, so that's actually done already. What else can they be used for?
+1 ... people mark wants a better desktop experience than osX.this icons are a step closer.At course the look is a very strong point for people to use linux, just like compiz (fusion) was and still is.And you designers, wanna make ubuntu 9.10 different, you think changing the theme is your strongest point? thik again. you have another solution, why not make something of iit instead of ignore it?
I can understand that it might not look professional, but it will remind people that they need to clean their Trash. Maybe the icons can be made less filthy.
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Normal and Less Disk Space could be two most useful.
Needs defrag would hardly be used.
on5sl(Idea reviewer)
wrote on the 26 Mar 09 at 18:49
I really demote the idea (in my opinion) of the current guidelines for gnome icons. These terrible old fashioned. A better solution would be the make those guidelines more modern. Almost every OS uses icons with 3D effects and shiny icons.
There doesn't seem to be any issue with the guidelines on the 3D and shiny front to me, they're simple, clear, and they DO say that icons should be 3D and shadowed and the like.
I think that this (using pretty animated icons for specific files) is a good idea, however I think that it could be implemented in a bad (or a good way).
The implementation should be:
- flexible: people don't necessarily want use the default hierarchy.
- not filesystem specific
To this end, I think that the best solution is to check for a executable file dir/.dirpic (or similar) which prints the path to the file that should be used as the icon for this folder... This way there can be a wide variety of conditions which deside which icon should be displayed. There would of course be a default fall back icon for which there is no dir/.dirpic...
Whoever made these icon's really is trying hard to get them into Ubuntu. Honestly, I don't see the need for them and can see them causing a lot of overhead.
1) I don't think this is a good idea. 2) If, somehow, it did get implimented, it should be like desktop composting and be optional. *I* would not like all these icon updates slowing down my laptop, eating up battery life.
I would like to see an animated icon with a Burning Flame on top of a mounted blank dvd when a burning app is minimised but writing to the dvd, maybe with it slowly turning black and crispy as the burning progress is updated
I'd only recommend the CD/DVD one if the disc is read/write capable formatted as such, what's the point of knowing how much space is left if you can't do anything with it?
For the recycle bin I think libnotify already reminds you if you're low on space and haven't cleaned out the recycle bin.
If something is wrong with the HDD health I think it should be immediately reported to the user via a libnotify dialog just like battery recalls!
In SVG you can store several images in a single file. The glines game uses this technique to animate the balls after they are clicked. It shouldn't be too hard to do the same type of thing here.
The real question is: How often would you update the state of the icons? Whenever you log in? Whenever they are painted on the screen?
This is a great idea to spruce-up the visual impact of Ubuntu, especially for the average desktop user, but the problem is that no user I have ever seen actually uses the desktop correctly. Either they never see the desktop at all (which means these icons just waste resources) or they put too much on their desktop and can't see anything at a glance (which means these icons just waste resources).
This idea is wonderful, but it will in the end only add resource usage to the system without any significant benefit simply because people rarely use the desktop in a manner to justify these icons.
I think what's being proposed here is actually a fundamental shift in how the desktop is utilized by the user, and that's no simple task. I also don't know if it's possible for Ubuntu alone to bring about that kind of paradigm shift. It's probably worth exploring the idea of how the desktop can help the user in a larger sense, though.
In response to option 4. There is a performance hit with everything and this is an argument I hear all the time. My personal opinion and I think probably the opinion of most people is that on a server performance is a critical thing but when it comes to a desktop os most people are happy to have a performance hit if it means everything being prettified and functional As long as nothing is allowed to get as dog slow as vista it would be fine. As for usability most people see just because some people can't it doesn't mean visual features should not be added and part of the update could be for the animations also to have voice responses. Also on the usability front as per the HIG guidelines I agree animations should not be used where there are constant changes like to display memory or cpu usages but for processes like cd/dvd burning this should be fine and functional. I do kinda agree with point 4 but the current notification framework means you can't action notifications this is obviously not the case with icons so maybe what is shown here is the perfect compliment to current features.
> Some users don’t care about emptying their thrash and also use it as another folder at times, this will remind them to empty it.
So let them do it! I only delete files from my trash when the disk is getting full, and then only the older ones. That way I know I can restore files if I later do need them, so I delete more files, so my disk is tidier :)
Ya I agree this makes some people empty their trash when they otherwise wouldn't and there isn't any significant advantage to doing so I mean if you don't empty your trash then you be able to restore things later that might be important.
I like this idea but it should only refer to items that the user places on a panel or something similar. I think that the icons definitely need some polish to them in the coming releases but users can implement this on gnome-look or other sites for customization. I would like to see at least a .deb or other installer to implement this as an option. Maybe not the main theme.
It's a nice idea from an aesthetic point of view. But I think, it is not useful...
Why we need an animated icon for CD burning? If I burn a CD I have a look at the burning application.
Most of the time my desktop is hidden by other windows. So I don't see any value in this. At least *my grandmother* [TM] wouldn't understand the sense of such icons, shown in the fragmentation example...
A central view for running processes (like burning, copying, downloading) would be much worthier! Also useful automated notifications, if something goes wrong (like large disk fragmentation or disk failures), are more helpful.
Those trash icones are ugly ! This is a really bad idea to make a so dirty trash, really disgusting >_
sayakb(Brainstorm admin)
wrote on the 15 Apr 09 at 16:29
Solution #5 "Create an addon" deleted as of having irrelevant reports.
andruk(Idea reviewer)
wrote on the 1 May 09 at 02:05
While I would agree with the majority of commenters that the trash icons are too dirty and not professional.
On the other hand, it does makes sense that the CD icon would show the space left, and the hard drive icon would show drive status (the hard drive error icon reminds me of the old "printer is on fire" error messages).
I would simply like to point out that Solution #6 is a gaping security hole - users will then be prompted to install trojaned icon packs (which makes us more like Windows in a bad way). At the very least, the C interface would have to be limited to "safe" calls anyway. I think it is too little benefit for too much risk. That's just my opinion.
kidmodify wrote on the 19 Mar 09 at 21:57 Report as spam / offensive
+1 I like the trash icons.
Please add a fith one as well, the trash can could be tipped over and raccoons could be rummaging through it.
That's what I thought as well! Brilliant. Especially the bin!