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    <title><![CDATA[The symbol for kilobytes is kB so it should be kB in Ubuntu]]></title>
    <link>http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/18560/</link>
    <description><![CDATA[Currently the Nautilus file browser (at least in version 2.22.5.1) displays the symbol for kilobytes incorrectly. Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilo-<br />You will see that the correct symbol for kilo is k, i.e. it is lower case. But Nautilus shows it as K (upper case) which is wrong.<br />Microsoft Windows also makes this mistake, but why should Nautilus follow their bad example?<br />Everything in Ubuntu should be better and more correct than equivalents in MS Windows.<br /><br />
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<b>[-68 votes] Solution #1: Change the software to display kB correctly</b>
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<b>[330 votes] Solution #2: Use IEC standard for binary byte units</b>
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<b>[-96 votes] Solution #3: Leave it as it is (1KB=1024 byte)</b>
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<b>[6 votes] Solution #7: Follow the Linux Programmer's Manual and SI/IEC standards</b>
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    <pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from krs</title>
  <description><![CDATA[You are right, howerver we have to use binary byte : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte<br /><br />1KiB is right (=1024B)<br />1KB or 1kB is wrong, because 1kB = 1000B<br /><br />For some reason the French localized version of Nautilus is right and use binary units, the English version use KB, wich is wrong.<br /><br />Nautilus in English : http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/gnome-nautilus-tab-browsing-support-2.png<br /><br />Nautilus in French : http://www.greguti.com/petitlinux/images/folders_covers_02.jpg<br />]]></description>
  <pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from dino</title>
  <description><![CDATA[The Good Thing About Standards: So Many To Choose From!<br /><br />KiB or MiB looks like crap :D<br /><br />http://xkcd.com/394/<br /><br />while correctness is important, it doesn't really matter to nearly all users. ]]></description>
  <pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from eBrnd</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Well, this is about Nautilus, but what about all the other tools that come with Ubuntu - especially command line tools. Most of those just use K (or k) and M instead of kB oder MB or even KiB, and there is no system wide standard to this. So the real way to solve this would be to go through *all* Programs and all manpages and other documentation and correct the units. Or just leave it the way it is, users are used to this, and most people don't know the difference between kB and KiB. It's accepted that file managers use kB for 1024 bytes. And since most command line tools use K when they mean kB, I think even KB is okay.<br /><br />Also, KiB looks unpleasant to my eyes ;)]]></description>
  <pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from krs</title>
  <description><![CDATA[In the cas of Ubuntu, it's more a localization problem. Almost all French packages use KiB. It's unpleasant to the eyes the first day, then it becomes natural.<br />I think using binary unit is important to stop the confusion. 1024 is not 1000 and we need a correct prefix.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from davourak</title>
  <description><![CDATA[" Solution #4: ask edit<br />Written by linuxrules the 13 Mar 09 at 00:06. Report as spam / irrelevant<br />settings GUI have options for what units to use<br />"KiB/kb/GB/GiB/b/auto/show all units/other-custom""<br /><br />How can I do this? Where is the "settings GUI"?]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from davourak</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I noticed that Galeon uses kB (with lower case k)]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from linuxrules</title>
  <description><![CDATA[i meant to say that they  should make a setting gui<br />sorry]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from pante</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Why this idea has changed from using kB instead of KB to wether use kB or kiB?<br /><br />Kibibytes or not was not the question here.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Chuq</title>
  <description><![CDATA[KiB is an abortion of an abbreviation that was decided by a committee, no doubt paid off by HDD manufacturers so that they can continue to lie about their HDD capacities.  I'm surprised enlightened Ubuntu users would succumb to it :P<br /><br />1024 bytes will always equal 1 kB (or kb) to me.<br />]]></description>
  <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from AndrewLuecke</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Not everything is a conspiracy Chuq.. Most people get told 1 kilobyte is a thousand bytes anyway. ]]></description>
  <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from tgm4883</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Deleting solution #4 as irrelevant.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from andrew.p</title>
  <description><![CDATA[to Richieland (Sol #3)<br />1kB means 1000 bytes SIMPLY because "kilo" means "one hundred". The same about "mega". This is no marketing in this. It is just a question of language.<br />And a short note about Mbit: everything is OK about it now. 1Mbit means 10^6 BITS exactly as it should.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from davourak</title>
  <description><![CDATA[kilo means one thousand, but I guess that was just a typo on the part of Richieland. I agree with your comment though, Richieland. The word kilo actually comes from the Greek word for 1000 so it makes sense that it should only mean 1000, not 1024, which is why someone came up with kibi for 1024.<br />What annoys me though is when people write the symbols incorrectly, such as using K for kilo or m for mega, when it should be k and M respectively.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from andrew.p</title>
  <description><![CDATA[davourak<br />I'm sorry I just tangled the words. I meant exactly what you wrote). English is not my native language.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from leael</title>
  <description><![CDATA[If youre writing drivers or other low level software, you might be more interested in the powers of two rather than the "real" ammount of Data, since almost everything you work with is related to a power of two. RAM sizes will never be a power of ten, due to technical reasons.<br /><br />People, who argue, that k means one thousand, seem not to know about these circumstances. I think, the average user will be more interested in seeing, how many thousand bytes her files consist of, naturally. I personally prefer to see the binary format 1 KiB.<br /><br />Binary Kilobyte sizes should never be shown as kB nor as KB.<br />Manufacturers who display RAM/HD sizes in powers of ten should be punished.<br />A GUI switch would be cool.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from leael</title>
  <description><![CDATA[krs, davourak: Very often, a small k indicates 1000 (which is the correct case for that "k"), and a capital K stands for 1024. This convention is widely used, though sadly not a consistent standard.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Endolith</title>
  <description><![CDATA[The vast majority of end-users think that k = 1000, since that's what it means everywhere else.  This is a lot easier to work with than 1024, and is <a href="http://www.bipm.org/en/si/si_brochure/chapter3/prefixes.html">the standard</a>:<br /><br />"These SI prefixes refer strictly to powers of 10. They should not be used to indicate powers of 2 (for example, one kilobit represents 1000 bits and not 1024 bits)."<br /><br />The only place the 1024 convention makes things simpler is when working with memory, which is naturally in multiples of 1024.  In that case, we should use KiB = 1024.<br /><br />File sizes and disk sizes are not multiples of 1024, though, so they are made simpler by measuring in 1000s.  This is how the Linux kernel does it, according to the <a href="http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man7/units.html">"units" man page</a>:<br /><br /><i>When the Linux kernel boots and says<br /> <br />    hda: 120064896 sectors (61473 MB) w/2048KiB Cache<br /> <br />the MB are megabytes and the KiB are kibibytes.</i><br /><br />We should follow their lead everywhere else.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Endolith</title>
  <description><![CDATA[<i>the download speed of your DSL connection would habe to be specified as 6,291456 MBit/s instead of 6 MBit/s. </i><br /><br />You obviously don't know what you're talking about.  When something says "6 Mbit/s", it literally means "6,000,000 bits per second", not 6,291,456.<br /><br />This is the standard, and it makes perfect sense, unlike the "K = 1024" convention.  This is the way it should be done everywhere for consistency.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Endolith</title>
  <description><![CDATA[<i>KiB is an abortion of an abbreviation that was decided by a committee, no doubt paid off by HDD manufacturers so that they can continue to lie about their HDD capacities.</i><br /><br />Do you have any evidence of this conspiracy?  No?  Probably because it's BS.  Hard drive manufacturers have been following the standards all along.  They're not alone:<br /><br />• A 500,107,862,016 byte hard drive is correctly written as "500 GB".<br />• A 4,700,372,992 byte DVD is written as "4.7 GB", not "4.4 GB".<br />• "56K" modems were 56,000 bits per second, not 57,344.<br />• A 2,000,000,000 Hz processor is written as "2.00 GHz". <br />• "Gigabit ethernet" is 1,000,000,000 bits per second. <br />• Blu-Ray disks hold 50,050,629,632 bytes, and are written as "50 GB".<br />• A 192Kbps MP3 has a bit rate of 192,000 bps, not 196,608. <br /><br />The aberration here is the people who think "K = 1024", not the other way around.<br /><br /><i>I'm surprised enlightened Ubuntu users would succumb to it :P</i><br /><br />I'm surprised "enlightened" Ubuntu users would desperately cling to the Microsoft way of doing things even when it makes no sense, confuses users, and conflicts with standards and common usage.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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