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I Like apt but there shoud be a way to install a programm like under Windows.
PCBsd have this already and is called PBI.
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kclive18 wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 20:59
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Ubuntu has the Add/Remove programs utility, which highly simplifies Synaptic down to something much more intuitive. But yes, I have used PC-BSD, and it behaves a lot like Windows (well, it is MUCH more stable :D).
In addition, the Add/Remove programs utility in Ubuntu categorizes the programs nicely for you, while the Windows one just lists them in A-Z order. So it's already a great way to install/remove stuff.
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Lee wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 21:02
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Disagree. The Windows way of installing software is a bug which should have been fixed long ago. You can't download and install a package with dependency resolution, unless it's just a pointless frontend for a package manager anyway, or unless the package contains every dependency you'll ever need.
This idea of downloading files from websites to install them is no more advanced than downloading translations from sites to have your wordprocessor in the language you naturally use, and then doing it all over again for your text editor. It's insane. Please unlearn it.
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dentarthurdent wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 21:02
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some software is released as a pre-compiled package '.deb' which installs as i think you are wishing it does
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ebrahim wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 21:02
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Ubuntu has it and it is called Deb!
Have a look at gdebi.
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wmplaza wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 21:02
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Apt is way better.
Under windows you got to download an .exe file, than click continue for a couple of times.. This aint better.
When I was new to Ubuntu I understoud this system pretty fast and I think it's much better.
Offtopic; how often is the software list updated and by whom? (docs about this?)
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wolfwitch wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 21:07
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Ubuntu has the best package installer I've ever seen for Linux.
Also- Windows apps (and I believe OS-X apps) are built using a wizard system (like InstallShield). (MSI just made things easier for people building apps using MS tools.) In other words- the wizard is built-in to the install file. This wouldn't be under the jurisdiction of the operating system, so really isn't a Ubuntu issue.
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Manuel wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 21:22
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I Think it has a reason why OS-X and Windows have such a Wizard to Install Software.
I dont think that a company that makes a Commercial Software can add his Software in the apt System? (Dont know)
They need such a Installer Wizard that is intergreated in the OS that every one can easy install it.
The next problem i see is what if i dont have internet to use the apt system?
With such a wizard like Windows i download the .exe file put it on a USB stick an install it
but maybe i fail with my Idea
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theosib wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 21:22
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Even better than all this is to obviate the need for any kind of package manager at all, like MacOS X. If apps were self-contained, rather than being strewn all about the file system in /etc, /usr, /bin and wherever else, it would be easier for users to manage apps, make package managers unnecessary (they could be replaced by a URL to a web site whence apps would get downloaded), and all-around simplify things. I can tell you that Adept likes to crash a lot, lock up, leave zombies around (making it impossible to relaunch), etc. The very fact that it has to exist is a sign of a problem.
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mtbikerj wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 21:25
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I sort of agree. I like the way Ubuntu does their package manager and the way it works, but... I'm always connected to a DSL connection.
Many people in my family live in rural areas and would love to try Ubuntu, but the large downloads required take forever on dial-up. Thus, I can't recommend Ubuntu to them because of the large data downloads required.
I think what Manuel is trying to say is that sometimes users need just one file that includes all dependencies for whatever reason (no or slow internet connection being one of them).
I don't think Ubuntu needs to change the package manager, but additional single file MSIlike install capability is a good idea for an enhancement.
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peterjs wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 22:21
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Commercial packagers are free to release Debs if they want to you can't blame Ubuntu third parties package their software in an incompatible format, complain to them. For those clamoring for a single file that fills the entire dependency tree that's in efficient because you end up redownloading dependencies you already have, if you really really really must have that functionality then tar up and distribute the entire dependency tree.
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Ssdg wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 23:31
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And what about the:"create a download script"(or whatever it is in the english version of synaptic)?
You can select the packages you need, save the script, by the way it uses wget and wget exists for windows so the "translation" wont be any longer than removing the first line an I think it will be ready.
then use gdebi and you can manage software via package manager and download it via another PC.
(by the way, the package containing just one library is far less bandwith eating than the .exe/.msi containing the soft and every libs needed. (so if a lib is needed twice, it will be installed and downloaded twice \o/ )
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