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Idea #17193: Desktop organization and layouts
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Written by v1ncent the 11 Jan 09 at 03:58.
Related project:
Gnome.
Status: New
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Rationale
We are used to have the Desktop as it is, a folder, but it's also the most basic place for any graphical environment, is the face of our systems, of our work space, but we are treating it as just a folder, where files get piled and piled... That's because the desktop is not seen as a practical place, where we just put the most basic things or the files that we wanna have always at the hand.
Of course, people who likes organization and knows that details could make a big difference, tend to organize manually the desktop icons, for example, this is my desktop:
http://tinyurl.com/7hdlug
As you see, i have some folders and files, but they are organized... manually.
Users would like to have this kind of organization, but is not practical (not right now), cause if you arrange icons automatically, then you have to put icons again at its place.
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I really think there are other possible paradigms for the desktop space... Simple ideas that --when implemented-- will be the most basic feature for organizing our work space.
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v1ncent
wrote on the 11 Jan 09 at 04:13
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I always have few icons on my desktop, but i want to separate them from each other... The images of some project, my Drives, some shared music folder, my playlist or things i am writing, they are Clearly not the same thing, and i don't want them PILED on just one side of the screen.
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v1ncent
wrote on the 11 Jan 09 at 06:51
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OF COURSE!! Every little thing is 'USELESS', but every MAJOR feature is TOO BIG to be implemented, first we have to discuss about it a couple of decades, and then maybe implement it in the wrong way (of course).
I don't wanna be a moron, i appreciate the devs work, but i am tired and frustrated... THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ONCE AND FOR ALL, THAT THE SIMPLE THINGS, THE DETAILS, MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE.
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+1
Yep, more Spit and polish is needed when it comes to the management of the desktop.
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Alky33
wrote on the 11 Jan 09 at 14:45
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If I understand correctly look at Enlightenment 0.17, the shelving system which can be seen at work in OpenGEU might be what you are looking for. It is still quite buggy but something to look forward to in future. If not perhaps putting a folder on the desktop for the mess laying around would be a work-around.
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+1!
I don't understand the -1. We have to offer to user their favourite customization. The default layout could be the current, free layout, but we can offer different layouts in desktop properties, don't?
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Very, very good idea. I'd like to have my mounted drives on the right side of the desktop and all other icons on the left side.
Now everything is on the left side and mounted drives often appear on top of existing icons.
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Seph_VII
wrote on the 11 Jan 09 at 20:35
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+1
The current desktop organiser sucks...
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Seph_VII
wrote on the 11 Jan 09 at 20:36
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+1
The current desktop organization sucks...
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Gigi33
wrote on the 11 Jan 09 at 21:32
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+1
And just like v1ncent said, things like that really make a huge difference.
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+1, nice to see some suggestions on #17179.
this would be quite a nice way of doing it.
i like the way this makes areas on the desktop without the need of actual folders like in KDE folder view.
although being able to place widgets in the "panels" and an optional setting to have them auto resize according to the amount of icons they contain would add quite a nice bit of functionality without making it more complicated.
Lets hope the devs get something like this going.
A blueprint might help.
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@fork: WHATS with all the negativity?????
go back to console or you should try some really minimalist VM, Gnome is a DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT so it should have more features, thats the point.
If you think these kinds of features would be useless, then come with something you thing might better and see how it gets voted. The fact of the matter is that currently come window managers do more on the desktop then gnome which is simply wrong.
(to those who aren't u to speed see http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17179/)
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Craig73
wrote on the 14 Jan 09 at 00:30
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+0 (indifferent) I think the screenshots are attractive, but I don't think they help organize disorganized people (who tend to have 12 million icons on their desktop). But I recognize everyone has their own style.
I don't think the desktop is really all that naturally integrated into the window metaphore. Perhaps when there is more dynamic zooming of windows and shuffling/stacking of files in a larger 'workspace' then the desktop can seem useful.
While I don't like sifting through random piles, I do find this screencast does show a more dynamic zoom in/out/away interaction between the desktop and windows that makes the desktop more functional.
http://git.moblin.org/repos/users/pippin/screencasts/2008-06-25.html
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Craig73
wrote on the 14 Jan 09 at 00:34
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Actually, I think KDE4's approach of getting rid of the desktop and having people create areas on the desktop (which are just views to folders) seems like a more refined approach. (closer to your idea / further from my idea of a more dynamic workspace)
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v1ncent
wrote on the 15 Jan 09 at 01:22
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@Craig73
The screencast is nice, but seems a totally different desktop paradigm, created for mobile devices... and even there, looks a little bit overcomplicated.
What i think is that proposing very elaborated ideas, only provokes rejection, so i think this is the appropriate way to go... Very little details that make a huge impact on the usability.
The Desktop is just the Desktop, is a folder itself, not a place to put other folders like KDE4 'folder view'.
This proposal aims to be a very little help, and it doesn't seems to be hard to implement.
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v1ncent
wrote on the 16 Jan 09 at 06:16
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@utnubuuser:
Why not?
@fcsonline:
That's a great work, i just would change two thing:
You can't align icons on the middle of the screen, so if a 'AREA' is 'cutting' the screen at the middle, then icons could only be aligned to the most near corner of the screen, like in the examples i made.
For example: in your mockup, the dialog shouldn't have the 'Top-Right align' and 'Bottom-Right align' options.
And instead of saying the percentage of the layout areas, it must just say the quantity of panels (or areas), and let the users resize them manually.
I think that would make a pretty neat user experience.
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Craig73
wrote on the 16 Jan 09 at 20:25
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@v1ncent - I agree it was created for a different paradigm... but the ideas behind it seem suited to large desktops and small desktops. I personally find the desktop inaccessible (it is 95% not visible on my machine) so ideas to add more to the desktop seem less workable. That is where I am coming from.
But go for it - I agree that many ideas get squashed for a variety of reasons - so whatever you can do to progress things is great :-)
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v1ncent
wrote on the 16 Jan 09 at 23:30
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Well, operative systems could change a lot in the near future, and the desktop concept will be crucial to get an intuitive an easy way to interact whit our computers... BUT, that's something to discuss o another place and whit other objectives.
There is no way that those kind of radical changes could be proposed here and be embraced.
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Gigi33
wrote on the 26 Jan 09 at 00:54
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Very sweet mockups!
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I'm a KDE user and I feel that Folder view and Activities are what you need. But even better would be if I could tie activity to the virtual desktop.
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And Gnome devs are thinking to do something similar.
And I guess it's a bit more professional than mock-ups here.
http://live.gnome.org/Boston2008/GUIHackfest/WindowManagementAndMore
But as I said before I'm KDE user and I don't really care.
I just wanted to provide the link to the idea of how Gnome devs are thinking to do this...
But I am not sure that the mock up that I provided even tries to solve the same thing than your idea...
Any comments??
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