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Feba
wrote on the 2 Jan 09 at 20:37
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No. First of all, people generally associate CTRL+ALT+DEL with "Goddammit, Microsoft sucks", not a feeling we want to associate with Ubuntu.
Secondly, Microsoft doing something is not by itself a good enough reason to follow it. Windows users are also used to having their default account be root. That is clearly not something Ubuntu should emulate, just because Windows users have become used to using the entire filesystem as their personal playground.
Thirdly, people use C+A+D primarily to close inactive programs. Those should be filed as bug reports and fixed, not an unfortunate occurrence that you work around.
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lsdark
wrote on the 2 Jan 09 at 20:56
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LINW : Linux is NOT windows
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Daerun
wrote on the 2 Jan 09 at 21:36
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In general, I tend not to underestand the phobia some people show against anything coming from windows, even if it is a good idea, or can make thinks easyer for newbies, but here I have to agree with Feba; so -1.
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maybe some other key combination? like Ctrl+Esc?
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Orzech
wrote on the 2 Jan 09 at 21:46
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@Feba @lsdark
So what?? Just because Windows uses such key combination Ubuntu can't?! So why there are windows (I mean application's seen as windows) in Ubuntu at all?? Shouldn't we stay with CLI instead just becasue LINW? :D Even if it is better to post a bug report in case of application freeze, why user can't kill it in the way he knows the best, "Ctrl+Alt+Delete->End/Kill process" when he needs to?
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jeypeyy
wrote on the 2 Jan 09 at 22:04
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@Orzech
What about the core gnome users. I think many of those users know C+A+D as a logout shortcut. Why would we focus on windows users? It is Linux for human beings, not Linux for Windows users.
Btw this is associated with http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/16345/
Someone should really make a free Linux for windows distro!
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Feba
wrote on the 2 Jan 09 at 22:17
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Orzech: No. Doing something differently than windows for the sake of doing something differently than windows is just as stupid as doing something the same as windows for the sake of doing something the same.
When Microsoft finds a better way to do things, emulate them. Where Apple finds better ways of doing things, emulate them. Where the best system there is is used by the ones we're getting away from, use it. This is not a case of something being done better. This is a case of preferences.
Why don't we move Ubuntu's menu, while we're at it? Take away the dual panels, take away all of the other applications on them, that's what people are used to. Let's label it "START", because that's what people are used to. Let's emulate Windows' GUI in every way we can! It's what people are used to!
There are other distros out there for that. PClinuxOS comes to mind. I think Xandros to a lesser extent. I'm sure if you want a Linux desktop that acts like Windows, you can find it. That isn't Ubuntu's place. Being easy to use does not mean going with the flow for no reason but going with the flow.
For an analogy, let's say we have cars. All cars today have a stick to change gears; even automatics pick between forward, reverse, and park. They have brake and accelerator pedals, and a wheel to steer with. With modern technology, there's not much of a reason why it needs to be that way. You could control your entire car with a joystick, using fly-by-wire technology. For those of us who grew up with video games, it may well be easier to hold down the brake button to go backwards, with the brakes being engaged by default when you're stopped. I know I have an easier time with an analog stick than with a giant wheel in front of me. Yet by the "most people are used to the Wheel/Stick/Pedals" argument, such improvements would never be made.
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It is good idea. Especialy if an aplication freezes you will be able to terminate it. Say what you want, but it happens even on Linux and there is no way to avoid it.
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Orzech
wrote on the 2 Jan 09 at 23:55
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@Feba
"Take away the dual panels"
That would be nice, especially if gnome-panel could work with more rows of applets/application shortcuts.
"take away all of the other applications on them"
What for? The bigger amount of features is not as painful for the user as the lack of something. Is there any keyboard shortcut for system monitor or any simple way of changing it?
"Let's label it "START", because that's what people are used to."
Oh c'mon, that's not as bad as hanged application and user who doesn't know how to get rid of it quickly.
@jeypeyy
Logout after C+A+D is intuitive as hell btw. It would be better to have shutdown-related options there.
And to both of you:
You wanna have Linux for human beings, you better do what most of people are used to (~90% of PCs still use Windows right?). The more is to learn about something the less likely people will go for it. If you keep everything as is just because this is the "gnome way" or something, you will have your beautiful distribution used by few percent of population.
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mela1
wrote on the 3 Jan 09 at 00:03
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+1 Use the "windows logo" key next to the Ctl key. Most keyboards still show the MS logo so the key substitution will be easy to remember, and it won't confuse the Gnome folks. It's a variation on TheLions' earlier suggestion above.
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It is a great idea. There are people coming to Ubuntu from Windows, something goes wrong, they press CTRL-ALT-DEL and it does not respond in the way they expect, and they think that Ubuntu is broken.
By default, pressing CTRL-ALT-DEL should do something like bringing up System Monitor, but with the option to alter that to anything the user so desires, so that when setting up Ubuntu for yourself, or a person who is new to Ubuntu and used to Windows, you can choose a suitable action for pressing those keys.
Or it could be set to bring up a list of keyboard shortcuts, such as CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE, CTRL-ALT-F1, etc., so that users who are new know what to do. I have been using Ubuntu for over a year and am still learning the hidden parts like various keyboard shortcuts that do certain things that are not obvious when using Ubuntu, until you press the keys.
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-1
- You can configure this already if you like.
- Downvoting "Clone Windows/OSX" ideas
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