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GortiZ
wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 19:55
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well if you speak about msn.. also a "call" plugin would be great.. i've a lot of friends on msn and i've to use skype to talk with them because pidgin does not support calls..
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Empathy is the new way forward for im communication. Pidgin is good, but doesn't integrate as nicely as Empathy. Ubuntu should stick with upstream and go with Empathy and not pidgin.
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Veejay
wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 20:13
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Also, webcam with Pidgin would be nice and all, but how is it related to Ubuntu? Seems more like Pidgin feature request to me....
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i don't think canonical or anyone that isn't a pidgin developer should invest time in this.
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Whilst I would love to get this as a feature, it's quite a thing to implement and definitely not a Ubuntu feature. The best thing that could happen is that Mark Shuttleworth could give a couple of developers the job to contribute it or he could offer a larger bounty on it.
Little features like this are one of the bigger reasons that Ubuntu isn't more popular amongst certain groups, especially teenagers who generally only use the PC to do a bit of chatting, some flash games and school/college work. We have flash and word processing/spreadsheets covered but not so much in the chat world. Best option for an all in one is Kopete but that gives you a whole bunch of KDE stuff to drag over and still isn't perfect.
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maltes
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 00:56
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Many features of the popular chat clients (Yahoo, AIM, MSN) are not available in the alternative clients. And implementing them is not only difficult, but the companies would/will try to prevent this via technical and/or legal means.
It would be better to encourage people to stick to the standards (jabber/voip) and make them easier to use. Maybe integrate Pidgin/Kopete/Empathy with Ekiga or some other voip client to make this happen with standard protocols.
As for supporting the additional features in MSN/AIM such as voice calls and video and whatnot is a wast of time IMHO, because you would need to reverse engineer much of it only to have them change the specs to cut you off. The solution to that problem is making them work with Wine. So if you absolutely want/need proprietary stuff you can use the original program.
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Estesark
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 00:59
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Agree with previous comments, a good idea but not one that belongs here.
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fluxy
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 01:48
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Pidgin really is becoming obsolete as far as real and complete support for most features (apart from basic chatting) of most protocols. I think it should be completely removed from ubuntu, and whichever program is to replace it should provide a much higher level of feature usability.
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plor
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 04:08
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This is a Pidgin request, and really Ubuntu has nothing to do with it. And I don't think Pidgin is meant to support all the features of the different protocols, but it is to have the basic superset of features that users need.
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hackel
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 05:34
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fluxy: pidgin is not obsolete in any way. It is an INSTANT MESSAGING client. It supports the latest versions of all the protocols. It does everything it is designed to do quite well. While I would like to see VV support, it hardly makes Pidgin obsolete, and it should most certainly NOT be removed from Ubuntu as it is the most compatible and feature-rich solution available.
IMO this thread should be completely deleted, as it is not related directly Ubuntu, and the Ubuntu team does not work on the actual development of other projects.
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Doesn't Pidgin already have a fork with this feature built in? Gaim-vv or something like that? I haven't checked in quite a few months but I thought it was still in their roadmap to merge voice and video abilities in with the mainline app?
@Veejay and anyone else: Even if it is more of a Pidgin feature request rather than an Ubuntu need, this is still a relevant forum to post such ideas/opinions. The info collected by Canonical/Ubuntu here will undoubtedly be passed upstream, and the Pidgin developers might take it a little more seriously coming from a major distro rather than a handful of users on their own site. In case you haven't noticed, what makes Ubuntu different from most other open source projects is they actually encourage feed back like this from all their users including n00bs and non-technical people.
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kwixbit
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 07:30
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People, i know it isn't related to Ubuntu, but it wouldn't be the first time that Ubuntu developers send patches to other projects, right?
This seems to be useful:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/farsight/
Anyone interested can also help! But i'm not able to do that, sorry!
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snifty
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 07:49
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I can understand the thinking that this thread is not relevant to Ubuntu, that it's a Pidgin issue.
However, I think it's worth trying to be open minded and listen to what users have to say. Many users may not realize that Pidgin is a separate project. What's more, they may not care.
If it's a highly important to users, it's important to adoption, and so for that reason it's important to Ubuntu, imho.
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kwixbit
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:30
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Yes...
Even if Ubuntu will not make it directly possible, a developer might be interested, as Pidgin developers aren't interested!
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gcc
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 10:53
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Most of webcams don't work in linux...
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johan
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 12:23
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I do not want this implemented, and I don't think I'm the only one. Pidgins is stable as a rock, and integrating this sort of thing would probably ruin that.
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kwixbit
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 12:38
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The last 2 comments aren't true!
Most webcams are working on Linux, and are working out-of-the-box on Ubuntu,there are some exceptions.
Pidgin wouldn't become unstable because webcam is implemented, as a plugin certainly not!
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this should happen!there is no decent app to IM with video support.Hope pidgin will be enabled for video support along with support for all video cams.
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While I don't use webcams myself, I agree this is a needed feature for Ubuntu to enter the desktop.
Most people like to chat and use webcam, it is important or them.
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If Pidgin is as stable as a rock it's a pretty wobbly rock. It's support for XMPP isn't good, either.
If there is an alternative to it, I'd vote for the adoption of that alternative as the standard. Sorry.
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ronocdh
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 19:51
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I'm glad to see some people here already saying this idea "doesn't belong." It's a great idea, it just kind of has nothing to do with Ubuntu. It's something that should be taken up with the maintainers of libpurple, etc.
I say again, great idea, but I have to give it a thumbs down.
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@ ronocdh (and following up to my first comment): The default installation includes Pidgin, therefore it IS an Ubuntu issue. Pidgin is not just some extra app that's available through multiverse, it has official Canonical support and is built in to the standard distro.
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kwixbit
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 20:10
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Little question, are webcams supported in Empathy, or planned?
Maybe that it could be the new default application as it can be used to several protocols, but not all at the moment.
But can someone confirm if it is planned or already implemented?
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Telepathy really is the way to go. It is very complete stack already, and adding webcam support is easier there as well. Pidgin should die already.
To understand the issue with Pidgin and adding the webcam support please read this blog post by Colin Walters (perhaps THE smartest open source developer in the world!):
http://cgwalters.livejournal.com/5659.html
Read especially the comments. Pidgin does get mentioned. Takes 30+ minutes to read but it's an eye opener about what to do with the idea in this brainstorming idea.
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kwixbit
wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 08:22
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Some time ago i've read that Pidgin could be replaced by Empathy. Webcam support isn't mentioned but audio/bideo conversation should be implemented, so i don't understand completely...
It would be really nice if it could be implemented and available for the Hardy repository, but it will not be ready i think!
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I think there needs to at least one good program the does im/voip/cam/... and right now I can't find one. My wife uses MSN and there is NO changing that(yes I know about divorce, but I don't want that...) Right now she uses kopete, but It's web cam support is 'bad' at best. My cam works perfectly, but kopete only works with the cam 50% of the time..... ok my point is her only option is amsn.... and we all know amsn is an ugly pile of crap. there needs to be at least one really good chat program.... and I want to say If Pidgin is not intended to be in Ubuntu long term(if it's not going to get cam/voice chat...) then I don't think it should be installed by default. Things included in the project should be part of the project's overall direction. If Empathy is really better(or going to be better). Then I am confused why Pidgin is installed by default(and not that other).... It seems(I am not sure about this???) like there is _NO_ really good/complete im/voip/cam/ program at all. maybe Pidgin is a bad choice to add cam support to, but Ubuntu should add cam support to what ever it sees it will be replacing Pidgin with.
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kwixbit
wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 10:27
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About webcam support, it seems that only Pidgin isn't designed very well for that!
Empathy and Emesene are easier to implement it and they are implementing it. But webcam support in Emesene is only planned for a future release...
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mech7
wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 12:42
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mmm i agree webcam support is really needed in pidgin.. it affects ubuntu cause pidgin is shipped with ubuntu. So it is a problem of ubuntu.
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In the least, I think that Ekiga needs some work. It supports video / audio, and if plugins could be made, we could very well intergrate Ekiga with Pidgin. I know it is a stretch, but there are frameworks out there that could allow that to happen. Google Talk has been made audio-less in pidgin, and requires an extensive work around (or through Gizmo, which automates the work around) in order to use the call feature of Google Talk. Ekiga is nice, but who wants a new account, when they could use Yahoo, or some other service? Plugins are something Ubuntu's team can work on though.
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Pidgin needs to be trashed or needs a complete rewrite. Pidgin is PAINFULLY buggy. At least once a month, Pidgin forgets all of my login information then displays the "Welcome to Pidgin!". Also, I have Pidgin to start when gnome starts, and every other time, Pidgin maxes out the CPU and since its in the tray i have to manually kill it from the command line. I would use Kopete, but it doesn't have all of the protocol support. Somebody should make another Instant Messenger using the protobol support from libpurple or squash the bugs in Pidgin.
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Dridiot
wrote on the 2 Mar 08 at 22:51
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this isn't really an ubuntu issue - afaik ubuntu doesn't take part in very much of pidgin development if any at all
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tomatz
wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 20:36
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Just use amsn it supports the msn protocol (and video) much better.
sudo apt-get install amsn
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Auzy
wrote on the 4 Mar 08 at 00:09
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AMSN is painful and buggy,
And you sure you aren't deleting them yourself thevirtue? Cause I have no issues (even with the windows version).
Pidgin is kind of in need of a rewrite, because obviously the code has gotten out of hand, but this would be difficult.
At the very least, we should get Jabber Jingle support
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DARKGuy
wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 01:36
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+999 to the idea of making a plugin for emesene. Definitely the BEST MSN client EVER.
AMSN is way too buggy, yeah.
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HaMF
wrote on the 10 Apr 08 at 23:32
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ashokgelal:
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ApOgEEs
wrote on the 3 Sep 08 at 08:59
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hoping that there will be pidgin with webcam on ubuntu soon... :D
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wootah
wrote on the 26 Dec 08 at 10:20
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I love Pidgin, but I like the webcam support with Kopete, but I don't want KDE stuff dragged over :/
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Yfrwlf
wrote on the 10 Apr 09 at 23:04
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Pidgin is included by default still because Empathy isn't ready. I'm on Jaunty, and I cannot initiate a "call" or even a "send file" over any of the protocols or contacts that I've tried, and I tried lots. Yahoo, Jabber, AIM, MSN, ICQ...
So, right now if Empathy can't do voice, let alone video, and because Pidgin is much more feature rich and supports chat with more protocols, it's not hard to see why Pidgin is still the default chat client.
I hope Empathy can be the successor to Pidgin if making a voice and video plungin for Pidgin is so much more complicated, but until it's better than Pidgin, it most likely won't be the default.
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Yfrwlf
wrote on the 10 Apr 09 at 23:07
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Oh and one last comment, supposedly the Empathy and Telepathy library is better than libpurple in that it's more modular, allowing other programs to more easily use it as well, but that's just what I've read. If true though, it's another reason to support Empathy/Telepathy.
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Ekiga has SIP/SILK/SIMPLE Voice & Video support.
Calling it as a "helper-application" may be a way of addressing it initially.
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emesene crazy already have webcam support( even if a little buggy )
download from emesene.org
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flash47
wrote on the 4 Jul 09 at 11:40
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I think the lack of voice and video on pidgin is a major pitfall for Ubuntu.
I recently installed ubuntu on a friends computer and she ended up going back to windows because pidgin didnt have webcam support.
I think canonical and/or ubuntu developers should be actively pursuing a solution for this since pidgin is Ubuntu's default IM client.
This definietly an area where Windows will beat Ubuntu in.
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yzarc
wrote on the 5 Jul 09 at 20:16
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karmic will have empathy as IM, it has video/audio for gtalk at least. I think it's a good answer to pidgin developers.
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aMSN is great :D
Tried Pidgin, Empathy, Mercury Messenger and nothing worked.
Sad that an ugly interface stops all of you from using a really good MSN client. It's kind of a gem like XMMS.
Well, so far I'll stick with aMSN until every other thing is fixed.
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Why you don`t understand the need of the webcam and a DECENT substitute for yahoo messenger????????????
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Webcam support is a mission critical feature for many users, myself included. The ideal is yahoo style open broadcasting to all / allowed contacts FROM pidgin(etc).
But please can we have webcam->flash working too?
I am a 15 year linux user straight who now runs windows BECAUSE of my need to be able to use my cam.
Seriously. No webcam. No linux.
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