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The problem here is, that the user simply can't see the list of running programs the way he could do that in Windows. I understand that the user can kill any hung app by simply attempting to close it - he will be prompted to stop it. But still, the problem stays.
1) There should be a shortcut for System monitor. Say, ctrl-esc.
2) There should be a list of running programs - only those that can be seen by the user. Not the list of the processes. There should be no daemons, services, applets, etc. This thing is needed and should stay, but there should be also be an obvious list with titles like "Firefox", "Pidgin", "Rhythmbox".
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I think it should be Ctrl+Alt+Del.
Also, in Windows Vista they have separates process from services. So I think it has better usability in Vista.
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Ssdg
wrote on the 30 Nov 08 at 01:34
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2> this list exists it's an applet for the gnome panel. that shows every window.
1> why not.
BUT> in some case, this isn't a program creating a window that slows the system. So a quick access to EVERY process and even if the faulty process is sneaking every system ressources.
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pyrates
wrote on the 30 Nov 08 at 09:03
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yes windows does separate out the processes and services but they also include a description column that allows the app to say what it is. That I think is good as it makes it easy for me to understand then.
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scientus
wrote on the 30 Nov 08 at 09:50
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for a good process viewer use htop. great, and doesn't eat your cpu
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sayakb
(Brainstorm admin)
wrote on the 30 Nov 08 at 09:55
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In KDE, it *is* Ctrl+Esc
In Gnome == all I remember is System->Pref/Admin->System Monitor and/or the system monitor applet for the panel.
Anyway, +1
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Rabbid
wrote on the 30 Nov 08 at 13:48
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I would vote for collecting all system-related services under expandable categories like "GNOME" and "System"
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DrHalan
wrote on the 30 Nov 08 at 14:57
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Yeah but inst there a tab for windows and another one for processes already?
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Vadim P.
wrote on the 30 Nov 08 at 22:11
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Agree with this.
But just a tip, doing alt+f2, typing in "xkill", and then selecting the bad app does the trick.
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Rabbid
wrote on the 30 Nov 08 at 22:43
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Vadim: I prefer killall because with xkill something might still be running in the background. The best solution would be to find the process PID, but that is too time consuming so I just kill all processes with the same name with killal
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Yes, but the point was not using process ID. Just do a xkill wrapper all, which would actually kill all processes - it can't be that hard.
Already implemeted in a way, though.
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sayakb
(Brainstorm admin)
wrote on the 1 Dec 08 at 15:16
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Marked as a dupe of #7308
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Rabbid
wrote on the 1 Dec 08 at 21:56
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LinuxIsInnovation: I agree they are similar ideas, but I wouldn't call them dupes. This ideas doesn't propose a seperate tab it proposes that the items in the current list get more human-friendly names.
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sayakb
(Brainstorm admin)
wrote on the 2 Dec 08 at 06:36
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@Rabbid
This idea says:
"There should be a list of running programs - only those that can be seen by the user. Not the list of the processes"
and #7308 says:
"This makes it a lot easier to separate the applications the user is actually using from the background tasks that are running."
Which finally points to the same concept. For that reason, I approved the dupe report.
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sayakb
(Brainstorm admin)
wrote on the 2 Dec 08 at 06:41
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But, since this idea also proposes to have a Key Combination for launching system monitor (which the original one doesn't), I'm removing the dupe tag.
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+1 I think we need both: "human readable" list of running programs and a list of all processes (like today)
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sowelie
wrote on the 3 Dec 08 at 14:51
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I disagree...if the user is smart enough to mess around with running programs, they can figure out the process list. It's not hard, there's an icon and it DOES say firefox, rhythmbox etc. I think having two lists like windows is absolutely pointless.
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I think something that hinders the Ubuntu project is the lack of a really clear consensus on who the OS is targeted to, and its goals. Saying "The person should be smart enough to do blank" to justify reduced usability would keep us in the dark days of text based web browsers and using LaTeX for text formatting instead of OpenOffice. If we're targeting this at humans like the motto says, then let's not bother with having to sift through instances of CUPS and a million GNOME daemons to force quit a broken app.
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sowelie
wrote on the 7 Dec 08 at 13:14
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So add something to hide daemons from the list by default...We don't need a separate process list.
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Craig73
wrote on the 9 Dec 08 at 00:43
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Smart enough... I'm smart but sometimes the names behind the scenes are completely unrelated to the application or don't mean that much.
I agree with sowelie that a checkbox that shows/hides "advanced" stuff is a good idea. (There are other places this would be a benefit such as the file-save dialog)
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Craig73
wrote on the 9 Dec 08 at 00:44
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[oh and I agree with Edman... Ubuntu is supposed to be the accessible for everyone distribution so enough of the too dumb to use Linux / command prompt solves everything responses]
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+1 for Ctrl+Esc in GNOME thats an easy on the hands key combination and not so close together that it can accidentally be done. I personally dislike Ctrl+Alt+Deletes position but its kind of standard in windows is the only reason i can think of keeping it, but scares me due to its closeness to Ctrl+Alt+Backspace in linux.
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