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Sorry, but no. The stack has to mature. DRI2, drivers and default settings of compiz are the things that need attention. Adding and enabling "power-user"-features by default, which are only used by a fraction of the whole user-base, is an unnecessary introduction of UI-clutter we try to avoid.
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Het Irv
wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 20:25
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Or at least have the custom option show by default, not just when the Manager is installed. Then when a user selects 'Custom' Ubuntu automatically installs it.
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Would be a great idea if indeed all Graphics cards could support it's use. But the Via Chipset doesn't fully support this program or the effects. So it just makes a buggy unneeded layer to have to support.
Love the program on my Nvidia box but on the VIA it chokes because the DRIVERS for it are still being developed.
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Rowan187
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 02:09
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Totally. This is needed, if you're going to implement something as complex as Compiz Fusion, you might as well let the (noob) user take full advantage of what it can handle. After all, if you want to lure Vista and OSX users to Ubuntu, they're gonna need to see the silly special effects!
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dburanen
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 02:46
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You get the same functionality with system->prefs->appearance and turning it on or off in desktop effects. This should suffice. Ideally, people rarely change it as Compiz matures.
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This is definitely needed. Also, the descriptions that pop up when the mouse hovers over an item in the compiz-manager need to be much more descriptive. I still have no idea what some of them do.
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HDave
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 04:05
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It's completely crazy that this isn't installed by default. Took me forever to find out about it as a newbie.
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If you enable it by default you will cripple systems that don't support it (and MANY do not). Support is driver based, and even my somewhat older nvidia card with the nvidia modules/drivers does not support it correctly. By enabling it by default you will have a lot of people complaining and a lot of newer users unable to get X running right from the start. Disabling it by default ensures a greater level of compatibility. Perhaps simply pointing out what dburanen said "system->prefs->appearance and turning it on or off in desktop effects" to newer users would be a better idea.
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hackel
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 05:57
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Ugh, people please do not comment on things unless you understand what you are talking about. Compiz is already installed and enabled by default IF the hardware supports AIGXL or XGL, according to the Ubuntu HW DB. This idea is referring to CCSM, the CompizConfig Settings Manager (and Compiz-Fusion itself I would assume). I do not believe this is an essential program, and should only be installed when requested.
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neon
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 06:31
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I think they're working on a simpler version of the Settings Manager and are planning on having that installed by default.
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maxthree
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 11:31
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The current manager is not very user friendly and very confusing.
It even has a search tool .... go figure ...
there are so much options that you need to search them ...
I think that a simpler version would really be a great on teh default install.
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maltes
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 12:11
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This is not an idea, but an opinion and Compiz is already included. The developers just chose not to enable default. This shouldn't be here.
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tioum
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 14:42
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Two weeks ago I did not seriously consider switching to ubuntu cause I am a pro and I have all my good tools and habits with my xp and its 80 nice freewares like treesize, autorun, gom player, processmanager etc... and on top of it I use adobe pack.
So to invest the necessary time to change my habits I need a good deal.
I tried red hat 10 years ago and used mac when it was still b&w and I had no hope linux becomes human and consider the importance of Human interface guidelines.
Last week I had to reinstall because of a virus and gave a try to ubuntu.
I like the fact it sets up nicely and has a nice theme. Then the first things I did was :
- I installed Cairo, nice dock
- I installed the compiz settings manager, top left launch expose, top right launch zoom, bottom right launch shift (just to impress people, not fast enought to work with it)
- emerald theme manager, I like wombat
Then I have a sexy AND productive place to work, just looks like my father's mac. I started to love ubuntu from that point, not before. The human theme was not enought, I needed more.
So, excuse me this was long because I am a bit excited but please make this sexy and productive options available to all. At least, let me have all of this with a checkbox or a wizard at setup time. It is really a pain I have to be a computer guy to go edit sources, download "packets", find themes, etc... Please make it powerfull as a default option.
thks all, this looks really good :)
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tioum
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 14:45
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excuse me , top right launch SCALE, small mistake
Please at least make a simpler version of the settings with just the good stuff like expo, scale, shift !
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Loffe
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 15:08
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The manager CCSM is way too complex to use. As maxthree already pointed out, it has an integrated search tool. That's just a hint of the complexity.
If we need a compiz manager go for a simple one. It would be great if it was integrated in the appearance window. We do not need another menu entry under the preferences (But that is another brainstorm idea)
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blablum
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 17:46
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I agree with this one as long as ccsm get a big overhaul. It is too complicated and its parts are poorly arranged. Maybe come up with a simpler config tool for the most common features.
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The manager should be linked to an advanced button on the "enable / disable" window at the very least.
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guisar
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 19:27
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I'd settle for compiz-fusion just working. I got it working just fine on my relatively old Fedora box with an ancient ATI card. My new quad-core, nvidia 8800GT card purchased SPECIFICALLY because nvidia was supposed to have better drivers still refuses to run at anything over 800x600 on the proprietary drivers and of course the open source drivers don't allow a 3d desktop. This is a dismal state of affairs. Really takes the shine off Ubuntu and Kubuntu. I think it's really, really important the compiz-fusion desktop work flawlessly for nvidia and ATI. When I, with a masters in CS and years of experience can't get it working how is the average non-techie supposed to enjoy the interface they may have heard about?
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People, this is not a discussion about enabling compiz fusion by default. This is a discussion about offering better control panel into its settings for those who have enabled it...
I am against it. It is really mandatory for anyone who uses Compiz to make it sane. However I'd take saner default settings out of the box any time over it. The GUI is like space shuttle cockpit and the distribution should and could be nicer out of the box when you enable the compiz.
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I despise Compiz. However, if it must be included, at least add a decent settings manager! CCSM does it's job fine.
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I love Compiz, but not easy to learn. I'd like to see a Help screen with a tutorial that describes in detail every functin of Compiz.
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compiz fusion manager is what I call feature overload, a normal user does not need that, a power user can install it himself.
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So many people, myself included are or were excited by the whole idea of the 3D desktop. However I can understand why it is left out of the default setup,you cannot argue against the fact that it will screw up some peoples displays. But why can't there be something obvious on first start that explains situation and gives a link to directly install the compiz manager?
And the manager itself is in desperate need of a good how to guide.
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I disagree with this idea, the best is to choose the manager at the end of the installation, but Compiz-Fusion is not compatible with all hardwares, we have to wait before making this thing
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tioum
wrote on the 12 Mar 08 at 09:00
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I agree it is overload.
Now when I install Ubuntu, I am looking for Cube, cube effects and Top-Left-Expo Top-Right-Scale. This is really cool, productive and a bare minimun.
There should be a light version of compiz-config that gives access to the most usefull settings for most users. Or a "Simple/Advanced switch". I'll post an idea on this.
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This is the tutorial I would have like to have from the beginning to explore the deep Compiz :)
http://forlong.blogage.de/article/2007/8/29/How-to-set-up-Compiz-Fusion#comment s
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blindvic
wrote on the 20 Mar 08 at 08:55
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I think, CCSM needs good description for every effect included, or even some animation (SVG?) showing how an effect works.
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jespdj
wrote on the 20 Mar 08 at 09:31
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It's strange that Compiz Fusion is installed by default, but that there's nothing installed to configure it. So +1 for this idea.
But CCSM is not good enough yet; it works, but it does not contain good descriptions of what all the settings mean. (I suspect that's the reason why it isn't included by default...).
CCSM should be improved, it should be made more user-friendly, and then it should be included by default.
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buggyman
wrote on the 21 Mar 08 at 05:24
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also - the the compiz manager ofter gives too little information what each setting and each plugin does.
I had to play around A LOT till I found out whats going on.
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The "Normal" visual effects are enabled by default, but not everybody like all those standard effects, even if they want to use Compiz Fusion. So please let them choose which effects to enable.
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diafygi
wrote on the 5 Jun 08 at 20:44
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Definitely a great idea! It would help a lot when doing demonstrations to recruit new users.
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buggyman
wrote on the 13 Jul 08 at 08:53
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Hi,
i think CCSM is really good - when you have spend ages and played around with everything to find out the real goodies....Expose and Scale. These two plugins, and, to a lower degree some others are really really useful...most other things are just crap. Who needs wobbly windows? I think CCSM should describe better what certain plugins do. But thats probably not Ubuntu's business.
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I'd propose just make another option for visual effects: "custom" with a button that opens CCSM. So everybody can profit: newbies can just choose none/normal/extra and also be able to find CCSM.
Cya
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I'm surprised this was shot down. You can barely even get the use of Compiz with the defaults.
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jeypeyy
wrote on the 14 Jan 09 at 12:31
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What was the motivation in hardy to delete the "custom" button?
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Blueprint compiz-advanced-config:
Ubuntuforums.org thread #581491
