Developer comments
Reverting other comments, as the offensiveness of the original post has been removed.
Marking as already implemented. Brainstorm already supports this.
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wow, developer. you're a total douche. I thought it was a good idea. Don't get your panties all in a bunch.
Packagers aren't real developers. sorry. It takes what, all of five seconds to package something? really? honestly? you think that makes you a developer? "I can write one whole config file and run a shell script!"
Try spending hours, days, weeks, months, YEARS building something. And then you can be a douche to somebody who just wants to maximize brainstorms effectiveness, because obviously it's no good for people like you to be here.
And I don't think the purpose of brainstorm is just for feature requests and bug reports. In fact I know it's not for bug reports. I thought it was supposed to be a place for IDEAS, no matter how incomplete or extravagant. I don't know who you are or what you develop. But, if I did, I would make sure not to use it anymore.
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@Developer: Package maintainer != Core Developer. Not beeing said you can BOTH be a packager and a upstream developer.
Brainstorm should be a place where Ubuntu-users could file ideas to improve the distribution as a whole - which consists of packages.
Your boss Mark Shuttleworth called upstream Ubuntus "rock" - now make sure that GOOD ideas (I.e highly voted) gets to those developers attention.
And don't tell your users to go elsewhere to file feature request. Brainstorm IS the place for Ubuntu users to do just that.
Keep up your work orchestrating the users-community-distribution-upstream and do it good.
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wgrant
(Ubuntu developer)
wrote on the 6 Oct 08 at 14:15
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[Note that I'm not the developer who anonymously commented here.]
@DanRabbit: Sorry, we don't entirely appreciate your abuse. We don't just package things - some of us perform significant integration work, or write new code, or help keep up with the tens of thousands of bug reports that we receive. We spend time merging fixes from Debian. Ensuring things don't break your system on upgrades. There's a lot more to it than meets the eye.
A lot of us put in an awful lot of work, while juggling real jobs and studying and all manner of other real-life timesuckers. A minority of us are paid to do anything related to Ubuntu development, so your comments are particularly unwelcome.
Anonymous Developer up there has a good point -- upstream trackers are probably a more effective place to put feature requests; upstreams complain enough about having to check our bugtracker as well as their own. Features aren't entirely out of place here, however.
I must also insist that you follow the CoC. Compliance is required for participation in the community.
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Hobbsee
(Ubuntu developer)
wrote on the 6 Oct 08 at 14:15
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You know, with abuse hurled like this, I'm not at *all* surprised that brainstorm has difficulties attracting developers to comment on ideas.
It looks like the developer was trying to tell you a more effective way to get your ideas heard. Now, clearly you didn't like this, but that's still no reason to flame them.
Please try to remember to obey the code of conduct, located at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
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[I'm the original poster]
Note that my point is that Ubuntu has, how many installations?, 8 millions?
Ubuntu has the contact with the end-user and the community. Ubuntus idea is mainly to work as a "concentrator" and leverage the community. (Yes, I'm aware of Bzr, Upstart, your DB-efforts and soon-to-be-open Launchpad) Ubuntu is the biggest distro thanks to those efforts.
The idea is about connecting the creative community with upstream.
Yes Brainstorm isn't effective enough - that's what this idea is about...
Sincerely
Niklas Andersson
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Ok, another one about how it could be implemented
1. Add field for "package" in the same way as you now have "category" and "related to".
2. Make sure that "package" corresponds to a package as user enters input.
3. In the menu to the left add a "search" field for packages. "firefox" yields a list with all packages that grep firefox
4. When clicked on, get a list of ideas related to that package with the ability to sort on "date", "votes" besides your standard time/vote ratio
5. done
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The Code of Conduct is neither a sword nor a shield.
@wgrant and hobbsee: please review this post - the idea, the "Developer Comments", and the subsequent comments.
As much as Code-of-Conduct admonitions are getting thrown around here, alleged violations thereof are, IMHO, fairly equally distributed.
The Developer Comments are as inappropriate as the first comment they solicited.
Now, perhaps the comment thread can get back to discussing the merits of the intended idea?
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Well, yes I would say using "Developer comments" to anonymously respond to a comment in the thread instead of giving feedback to the original idea is, well, against the referred Code-of-conduct.
Anyway - back to basics.
I've heard that Ubuntu hosts thousands of projects. I've heard numbers between 16.000 to 23.000 - I doubt all of these projects has their own public bugtracker.
AND I know that Blender uses their own implementation of Brainstorm - as it is open source.
Now think - why is Blender using a customized version of Brainstorm? Why don't they use a bug tracker or it's like for that purpose?
Well - because it's useful and has features you don't get in a ordinary bug tracker.
By implementing this idea you give the same possibility to whatever project.
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@ Anonymous Developer
You can't throw around the code of conduct crap when you're the one being a jerk to this guy and his idea. That's not fair. It's things like developer abuse that are ruining brainstorm. Your not running the show, the users are.
And for your information, I don't typically run Ubuntu. I'm mainly hear reading and taking note, because it doesn't seem like too many other devs are. And to a lot of people, including myself, it seems like brainstorm is the place to get your ideas noticed and backed up by other people.
However, it's people like you that make people boycott products (like Ubuntu and brainstorm). Linux is supposed to be about collaboration, no matter how important you think you are.
I'm sorry if you feel offended or whatever (which in my opinion is being over sensitive) but I mean what I said in that it's not okay to call somebody's idea a half-baked waste of time and I would say that is douche-like behavior and deserving of being called out.
@ Other developers
I'm sorry for the confusion and whoever's feelings got hurt. What the first dev wrote is gone now, but it was inappropriate and offensive and I felt the need to give my support to nandersson and to condone the devs behavior.
About the packaging stuff, the original idea poster was trying to make a point of defining a developer as an upstream developer, someone who writes major feature related code. The first dev got all upset (probably because he was just a packager) and shot off his mouth about the idea being a waste. I, myself, package and maintain a repository and I know how "hard" it is and just how much it's involved with the actual app (not at all). I don't think being a packager qualifies you to tell a man that his idea sucks and your an awesome developer so you know that it isn't worth anything.
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Stop using Ubuntu? Did you say that Mr. Anonymous Developer? Wow! Who cares if one customer dumps Ubuntu and move to Fedora or even Windows right? I wish Mark Shuttleworth read this post.
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Auzy
wrote on the 7 Oct 08 at 01:10
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1) Everyone should calm down (odd I'm the one saying it this time). There might have just been a misunderstanding actually.. Happens all the time
2) I think this is already implemented. You can already link ideas to different projects.. "Related to: Nothing/Others"
3) The code of conduct thing fits in if the developer misunderstood it as a insult against them I guess.
So my opinion is:
1) The idea is done anyway
2) The developer misunderstood.
3) In the case it had been an insult towards them though, its not as though developers are required to bend over for us actually. For free software that isn't being sold (thats open source), we aren't disadvantaged in any way. And if we really want a feature, we can help.
Its not like Apple, where if you want a feature in iPhoto, you must break the EULA, or whinge to the developers.
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Ghone
wrote on the 7 Oct 08 at 01:19
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This comment thread is a puddle of crapitty-crappy-crap.
What we have here is contributors and non-contributing users arguing about how important one group of contributors is or isn't compared to another group of contributors.
That's not what Ubuntu Brainstorm is here for. This not an arena for spewing forth sputum nor is at a battleground for practicing your skills at the art of flamewar.
UB is here so that those who want to see an ever better Ubuntu but haven't got the skills and/or resources can contribute in another way by showing the other contributors what is needed. There are a _lot_ of people using this OS and the developers and maintainers as a group are acting in an enlightened way by listening to what we want and need to make this project a success.
Whether one contributes to the project (in any capacity) or not, to complain that another's contributions aren't astoundingly important or that someone's opinions are worthless is not going to help.
Not every member of the community can be a farmer. Not every member of the community can be a blacksmith. Someone's got to be a butcher or a grocer and a village idiot just because that's what they are. Trying for force someone into a different role or unduly belittling their importance. Neither does it help to ask someone to leave.
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Auzy
wrote on the 7 Oct 08 at 01:22
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@ghone But maybe the developer misunderstood that the poster was calling Ubuntu developers useless coders? In which case, it would be a valid statement.
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WEll.... I was first using the expression "real" developers, between quotation marks.
It looks like after changing "real" for upstream it was no longer offensive.........
*sigh*
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Auzy
wrote on the 7 Oct 08 at 07:27
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Well.. That might be a valid reason for getting upset..
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