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    <title><![CDATA[Firefox EULA: adopt Ephiphany]]></title>
    <link>http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/13202/</link>
    <description><![CDATA[In the nearing Intrepid release, Firefox display an EULA to the user the first time it is started.<br /><br />This raises a number of concerns:<br />- the EULA refusal doesn't prevent the user in any way from using Firefox, therefore EULA's is just noise added to the user experience.<br />- the EULA agreement would make firefox a non-free application which should be moved to multiverse.<br />- refusing the EULA would (legally) leave the user without a browser in the default install.<br />- EULA approval on first start would make firefox less usable when using the Live CD.<br /><br />So far the options are the following:<br /><br />- Keeping firefox as it is, even with the EULA.<br />- Switch to Epiphany as the default webbrowser.<br />- Adopt IceWeasel from debian (which is firefox, with logo and brand replaced)<br /><br />You can find the full discussion here:<br />https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/269656<br /><br />*** If you'd like to vote for adopting Epiphany vote this idea ***<br /><br />if you preferer to adopt IceWeasel vote this idea:<br />http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/13201/ <br /><br />If you'd like to keep firefox as it is, vote this idea:<br />http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/13200/ <br />
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  <title>Comment from Eldmannen</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I like Firefox because I can have extensions.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Dread Knight</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Go Ephiphany! Full Gnome integration straight out of the box!]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Remco</title>
  <description><![CDATA[The Gnome integration is what makes me choose for Epiphany too. Power users that are used to Firefox can always install Firefox/Iceweasel/Icecat/abrowser if they wish.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from DylanMcCall</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Mozilla's Firefox brand is problematic in Ubuntu because their core development does not focus on GNOME, which is a platform that works best when things integrate with it. Epiphany, on the other hand, is 100% GNOME. Thus, things work very smoothly :)<br /><br />As for extensions, Epiphany does indeed have them. I believe epiphany-extensions is a package recommend now, but if not you can install that package via apt. Boom: Extensions!<br />Not Firefox's extensions, but useful things regardless. (Including adblock).<br /><br />Besides that, I bet you less than a quarter of Firefox's users (not the vocal ones) actually care about extensions or have ever installed one.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Dread Knight</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Ephiphany will have Webkit support soon! Screw gecko!]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Ssdg</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I never read the MPL in the past, I think this could be the right moment to do it.<br /><br />Plus, if the 4 rights are granted and the only limitation is on the brand, I don't understand the problem. It's mozilla's work and it can be respected. I read window's vista's EULA when I bought my PC, and I choose not to use it more than needed. Since I need to do stuff that are forbidden by this license, I spend most of my time using linux KNOWING that if I wanted to I couldn't follow most of my linux habits using windows. I you disagree with the license then just change the package by yourself, but I love FF and I don't know why I should afford changing to another browser.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Auzy</title>
  <description><![CDATA[DylanMcCall, so you want to bandaid the problem? Developers shouldn't have to program for gnome or KDE anyway. The same code used should be able to be used for either.<br /><br />Maybe we should focus on making aspects of GTK more like QT, and vice versa. Then the apps will work regardless]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Remco</title>
  <description><![CDATA[But that's for a different idea. The Firefox-based browsers integrate with nothing at all, so that's even worse.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from forteller</title>
  <description><![CDATA[This would be horrible! Epiphany doesn't even have some basic functionality! Just one example of how terrible Epiphany is: If you bookmark a website, you have to restart the browser for the bookmark to show up! Epiphany is not the way to go!]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from forteller</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Ooops, sorry! The thing I said about bookmarks was not in Epiphany! It's still terrible, though!]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from cheiron</title>
  <description><![CDATA[@forteller<br /><br />I see that reaction a lot, but what functionality that a normal user would want is lacking from Epiphany? I'm not talking about Gee-Whiz features that the technically inclined would want, but about things that average users will miss.<br /><br />Heck, I'd consider myself a technically-inclined user, and theres nothing worthwhile missing from Epiphany, as far as I'm concerned. It's preferences could be expanded a little bit, but theres about:config for the advanced users who want to tweak things.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from forteller</title>
  <description><![CDATA[cheiron: I had to take a look at Epiphany again when you said that, and in less than two minutes I found this lacking:<br /><br />- No search box<br />- No drop down list in the address bar! (non-technical ppl use that a lot)<br />- Can't switch between tabs with Alt+Tab (don't try to teach non-techincal users to use Alt+pageup/pagedown)<br />- When I click the stop button the animation still keeps on going (ok, this is just a bug, not a lack of feature)<br />- Does not ask to remember passwords<br />- The address bar does not have focus when you open a new tab<br /><br />If I used it for a whole day, I'm sure I'd find more..]]></description>
  <pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from wolki</title>
  <description><![CDATA[> - No search box<br /><br />Doesn't need one, since the Adress bar is the search bar as well. Less clutter, more space, less keyboard shortcuts to remember, and an easy way out when you try to use one of the other features from the adress ba, like autocomplete bookmarks, and it turns out you didn't bookmark them - just search instead.<br /><br />> - No drop down list in the address bar! (non-technical ppl use that a lot)<br /><br />Sure it has that, for URLs you've visited (ie in your browsing history), for Bookmarks (both by name and by tag), and for saved search engines. What else should it complete for?<br /><br />> - Can't switch between tabs with Alt+Tab (don't try to teach non-techincal users to use Alt+pageup/pagedown)<br /><br />You better try, because they will need it in almost any other application, whether GNOME or KDE. Also, you can't switch tabs in Firefox with alt-tab, that one switsches windows (similar for alt-pgup, I assume you mean control)<br /><br />> - When I click the stop button the animation still keeps on going (ok, this is just a bug, not a lack of feature)<br /><br />Sounds like a bug.<br /><br />> - Does not ask to remember passwords<br /><br />Sure it does, I have lots of them saved. Makes me wonder if your epiphany was broken somehow, since a lot of things that work don't seem to for you, and I've never experienced that.<br /><br />> - The address bar does not have focus when you open a new tab <br /><br />Epiphany focuses the web page you load in case you want to enter something there (think people using google as their home page). If you don't want that, use an empty home page (yes, this is not optimal).]]></description>
  <pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from cor</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I believe Mark Shuttleworth said that in the next Ubuntu the goal will be a beautiful and seamless desktop experience, "better than apple". <br />Switching to Epiphany would be a consideration then anyway, so maybe the choice will just be made sooner. ]]></description>
  <pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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