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Ssdg
wrote on the 5 Aug 08 at 18:20
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tottaly agree, but for trademarks reasons:
It shouldn't appear as a new windows in the event. (let people think, but don't tell them)
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Microsoft can market it, we cant even market Ubuntu, so how can we market something else.
We should just market Ubuntu to spread brand-awareness.
This might have been a good idea for Microsoft, but it is not for Ubuntu.
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I think ubuntu is not yet ready.
Im sorry.
Im ubuntu user 100%.
I came back to my home with XP, and realize that after using Ubuntu for over 10 months, I still miss some features or ease of use.
I will stick up to Ubuntu, but there is things that still need to be improved to compete directly with Windows.
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Ubuntu is more than ready. I just don't want to stoop to Microsofts level.
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Mojave experiment ?
Lie to customers, and look-but-do-not-touch presentation of a customized and maskeraded OS ?
What for ?
Ubuntu deserves better than this marketting gimmick.
@ubunteando: If you're better with Windows, stick to it. But don't assume Ubuntu isn't "ready" solely your personal experience. There are plenty of novice and advanced users who are perfectly happy with Ubuntu.
Of course, no OS if perfect and every OS has its little annoyances.
One year after migrating from XP to Ubuntu, I find Ubuntu's annoyances far more acceptable than XP's.
Your mileage may vary.
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Auzy
wrote on the 6 Aug 08 at 11:16
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aikiwolfie & sebsauvage: I dont think its a stupid marketting gimmick, or it was a bad idea.
In fact, I for one am happy they did it (even if its not in the best interest of Linux). I believe every OS should be viewed as what it really is, and Vista was not given that chance. Instead, thousands of angry linux fanboys started shouting crap they heard off slashdot/digg, and everyone believed it (such as that it crashes constantly, etc). But the only true part was that it is slower then WinXP, but it has more features. And yes, I believe the campaign did make a difference. I used to work at an applecentre, and I believe that showing the DVD functionality and photo functionality may be enough to convince people to not buy a mac.
We DO need the same campaign. It will help highlight what we need to work on, and where we can improve. Whilst I don't believe we have enough yet, we could use such a project to stop people believing we are for servers, and that its still an 8 color desktop. Showing compiz for instance would make a big impact on people, and we could even convince Mac users its the next generation OSX desktop.
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+0 Something like this might be a good idea.
@ubunteando:
I think the opposite. Whenever I use Windows or Wine, I see how bad it all looks.
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> "I believe every OS should be viewed as what it really is"
Except that the Mojave experiment exactly DIDN'T show the OS as it is.
They've shown a *modified* Vista.
And the users couldn't have a hand on the damn thing.
How can you judge an OS if you haven't used it yourself ?
> "and everyone believed it"
You known, there are also plenty of people who really *used* Vista before complaining.
> "the only true part was that it is slower then WinXP"
Nope.
Ever tried to move an item in the menu ?
4 security popups. No password asked.
And that's not the only annoyance.
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Auzy
wrote on the 13 Aug 08 at 10:30
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No.. they weren't shown a modified copy, they were shown a normal copy of vista (possibly with a modified build number and small other changes to mask the versions, but usability wise, nothing changed) . Stop inventing facts. The features shown on the page, exist in my copy.
And the UAC thing is BS. It wont pop up with 4 security popups as you claim (unless you are using a very early beta). My Vista computer is in for service so I cant test it, but I dont remember EVER seeing dozens of UAC popups on late SP0/SP1 builds. Have you actually tried that yourself? Sounds like the campaign works, because what you just did there, was make an argument based on ancient facts. Its no better then saying Intrepid will suck because the theme in the alpha is ugly.
The point of mojave, was to prove that the majority of people bitching about vista, were just copying what friends said. I know this, because a lot of my friends were saying the same, until I showed them stuff like dreamscapes.
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Ghone
wrote on the 19 Aug 08 at 00:52
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Auzy: Would the reason your Vista computer is "in for service" be relevant to this discussion?
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Auzy
wrote on the 19 Aug 08 at 06:44
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No Ghone. Its in service because Faulty M/B or CPU (and I would rather focus on learning to fly, then pulling apart my brothers computer and mine, to determine the faulty part). Believe me, I'd have mentioned otherwise if it was (I don't try to score points via deception). And people that know me, know that at this point of time, I feel its more important to fix the community before we fix some bugs, as our problem is that many people here only believe what they see on slashdot/digg, which is often wrong/incorrect/deceptive. And we need to break through that to be as good as we can be
Anyway, my point is, that I showed the DVD editing clips to my old mates working in the applecentre, and even they couldn't respond.
Part of the problem is getting the news out there of our features. The second part is shattering the mindset that linux is not-user friendly. If people walk in believing linux sucks, they will be too stubborn to change their mind.
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>they were shown a normal copy of vista
A 10 minutes demo by a specialist. Not a hand on the keyboard or mouse.
(Sorry for the "modified", I had a wrong information.)
*SHOWN*. They did not *USE* it.
>It wont pop up with 4 security popups as you claim
It did.
Tested on a OEM (HP-preinstalled) legal copy of Vista Home Basic using a non-admin account. I didn't invent this.
Are you telling us your are working on a daily basis with an admin account ?
> Have you actually tried that yourself?
Yes, I *did*.
I was not told these facts, not even "shown" a demo.
I had my hands on the mouse+keyboard, and not only for 10 minutes.
>Its no better then saying Intrepid will suck because the theme in the alpha is ugly.
I never ever use beta. I want stable software.
(BTW, Ballmer said that Vista is a "work in progress". Call me "final".)
> until I showed them stuff like dreamscapes
So you think you can judge an OS only by seeing a beautiful graphical demo ? Just like the Mojava experiment ?
Shouldn't we judge an OS *BY USING IT* ?
Wasn't that exactly your point when you defended Vista ?
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Auzy
wrote on the 21 Aug 08 at 08:53
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@seb. Tested it. I counted 2. A confirmation, and a UAC popup (which is the equivilent of a sudo password request).
Either way, you do make an interesting point that just gave me a new idea...
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hello,
well, i must say... on a system saying it was for vista, preloaded with home premium, i still had headaches... first off, the Ram usage increased t0 980mb out of a GB of ram, after which the computer was near dead for five minutes, then it suddenly fell back to 300mb usage. Then vista released there nice little patch which pretty much stopped network sharing (password required when i had none), and forced me to resort to flash drive transportation for about a month. both HP and MS support was useless, and solutions used by others failed miserably including one that caused a BSOD :(
eventually i brought out my old PC (Pentium 4, 1GB ram, windows XP) put in my beautifully burned Ubuntu disk...
and WOW, i was impressed... gave it a day on the live CD, installed, spent 5 minutes on the internet learning how to add acpi=off to the boot (thanks to the awesome Ubuntu community OFC :D ) and i was good to go, ended up giving my laptop to my sister for cheap... (don't ask why i didn't put Ubuntu on it, i am now kicking myself but w/e... it would just sit on my desk anyways
buying a new (kick ass) rig soon, and the only reason I need xp is cause I like to do 3d work and have failed miserably at blender... :)
and moving files from one user account to another will give a LOT of popups i must confess i cant count ATM, but i know i got 4 once while moving some music around...
then there was some funny business with my language bar hiding itself and only showing itself when there was a UAC or other prompt...
then there are the awkward times when i go to rotate between my 5 desktops, and start swearing, before i realize im in windows again :(
i must say, I hate the times when i still have to go to windows.
/end vista rant
/end Ubuntu praise
/realize that this isn't the right place this long rant but w/e
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Why? Ubuntu hasn't got a bad reputation like Vista, quite the opposite I think
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