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Ssdg
wrote on the 21 Jul 08 at 17:30
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isn't this hal-device-manager?
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Ssdg
wrote on the 21 Jul 08 at 17:31
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sorry, ,gnome-device-manager.
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biomega
wrote on the 21 Jul 08 at 17:46
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Yes, but is very criptical, what about simplify it?
'cause you read just Hal weird messages something like: /halDevice/DeviceLib/AGPDevice/AwkCard
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elmoj
wrote on the 21 Jul 08 at 19:21
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All I want is to have something like Windows Device Manager that I think is easy to see, in a look, what device don't have the drivers installed; well, and if it's possibly to install drivers as easy as Windows...
I think, and I'm not a flamer, that there are things in Windows that are well done and we have to copy them and improve it!
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Tuxoid
wrote on the 22 Jul 08 at 05:24
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I think that would okay, but the issue I see is that, if Ubuntu Devs were to do this, it would require the look of the software, to mimic how the Windows Device Manager looks enough to look like the Windows.
I know the goal here familiarity, but the concept of the Windows Device Manager, or any device manager, for that matter, is that they have flaws just the same as the Gnome and KDE device managers.
Two questions that I want ask:
What problems do you see in the Windows Device Manager?
What problems do you see with the Linux Device Managers?
I truly believe in making Ubuntu easier to use. I believe you do to, elmoj. I believe that is why you suggested this.
My concern with this suggestion is, in making a more Windows-like Device Manager, how easily can we then improve Microsoft's formula, without breaking it?
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Auzy
wrote on the 22 Jul 08 at 05:33
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This is a great idea. +1
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elmoj
wrote on the 22 Jul 08 at 08:18
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Really, in Microsoft Device Manager I can't find any problem; perhaps sometimes it confuses the drivers but, in fact, I think is well done. The problem in Ubuntu for me is too know wich driver I have for a Device or if it's enabled or not.
On other part, I think Ubuntu gives much more information about a Device and is easiest to know wich model is to install the driver.
I think that is not reliable on 21st century to have to edit manually files like rules or xorg.conf, etc... to make something as easiest as install a driver.
I think one of the most taller wall to change windows for Ubuntu is the drivers installation.
Perhaps ndiswrapper has to be installed by default? Or to make a Hardware test on installation to report wich drivers are not to be installed, are restricted, etc... Perhaps it will be another ticket too
I think is time, like on programming, to copy or reuse the things are well done by others, in that case, by Microsoft.
Sorry about my poor english.
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Diggs808
wrote on the 22 Jul 08 at 12:48
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I use gnome device manager on my installation and it helps a lot...especially when I connect something that is not supported out of the box. In fact, the configuration DVD I hand out to my friends has it on there (I use remastersys to make a custom distibution dvd to hand to my friends who use Dell computers...it also makes it easier for me to reinstall my system should i completely hose it). The gnome device manager is alright....but it could use a little polish. I got it from the repos if I remember correctly (I think I used add/remove to find it).
This is a good idea. I also think that NDISWrapper should be available on the distro cd for people to use if they dont have a network connection. It doesnt have to be enabled. Just available.
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Fjatle
wrote on the 22 Jul 08 at 15:42
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I really hope we don't copy the Device manager from Windows. In windows, when you don't have have a driver, it tells you nothing about what kind of device it is.
But there is a software for windows wich is way better. That is called Everest. Try it, and you see what I mean.
On the linux side, we have an alternative called 'System Profiler and Benchmarker'. In apt you find it as hardinfo.
Now, THAT is how I think a device manager should look like
...not the crappy device manager
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elmoj
wrote on the 22 Jul 08 at 16:11
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When I say that is for only copy the GOOD THINGS!!!! I only want to know wich driver is installed in wich device!
The rest of Windows Device Manager... pf is horrible!!!
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Tuxoid
wrote on the 24 Jul 08 at 05:41
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Not to mention that some of why the Windows Device Manager is set-up the way it is, is because of how Windows is structured as an OS, and how it does things.
Linux developers have made different choices, in terms of OS structure, and some of these choices made, effect the issues a device manager may need to deal with and solve.
Similarities can be made to a certain extent, but due to structure, and the way in which a Linux user works their hardware support differently, some things are easier to make differently.
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elmoj
wrote on the 25 Jul 08 at 09:54
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Sorry, can anyone explain me if the #4848 idea is the same as this one??? My english is poor and I'm not sure of this. I think that my idea is to do something like Windows Device Manager with the possibility of install drivers on a GUI or with ndiswrapper easily.
Also an easy way to identify if a device has a driver or not.
If is a duplicated entry I give all the votes to him/her (cause he/she arrive before :))
Thanks.
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