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    <description><![CDATA[adobe flash has become ridiculously slow. it's perverse that i can play a dvd in full screen mode and that uses about 5% of my processor, while as a small flash window on youtube stutters. as well as this, there is of course no 64-bit version, or a version for sparc/powerpc under linux. <br /><br />the solution is obvious--gnash must be developed. could canonical/ubuntu invest some development time in getting gnash working well? that would be great :)<br /><br /><br />
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<b>[1 votes] Solution #2: Add hardware acceleration to Gnash </b>
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  <title>Comment from Greyor</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Absolutely. As much as I hate Flash, it is useful in some situations. I'd prefer using a free implementation rather than a proprietary one; and running it 32-bit wrapped is never good (I'm 64-bit as well).]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Remmy</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I was playing around with some of the latest code form SVN the other day and I'm seeing some improvements coming down the line, but it is still a far cry off from the official player. I think this is a wonderful idea.<br /><br />It seems much more logical than ever hoping Adobe will ever open the official player up.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Lars Noodén</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I'll add my 'me too' here.  As much as I dislike flash and find it a major annoyance, it is sometimes foisted unavoidably on us.  <br /><br />However, better support ought to include work to get major services like Youtube away from non-Free formats.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Ferk</title>
  <description><![CDATA[A free Flash player is doable and very needed]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from marshallbanana</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Amen, then we can finally get 64bit support.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Tom Mann</title>
  <description><![CDATA[As MarshallBanana, 64bit support :)]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from elitepenguin</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I don't like proprietary web content, however flash is widely used, since it's the only (reasonable) way to play videos in a browser.<br /><br />I want to have flash support out of the box, I don't care weather it's the adobe plugin or gnash, as long as it works.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from bigdufstuff</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Might be worth looking at swfdec too.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from nyvalbanat</title>
  <description><![CDATA[We should also keep an eye on the new Adobe Flex stuff (I assume/hope Silverlight will be another dead-end from MS). Don't want to fall behind, nor wind up without 64-bit support as it happened with flash.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from tioum</title>
  <description><![CDATA[This is a big topic. I have installed a pc for someone and was happy with video and sound but the next week he came beacause youtube would not load. Basic user, basic needs bur not the basic installation option ? How is it possible one makes proprietary formats on internet ?? Does it mean youtube has to change or ubuntu has to change ?]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from elias1884</title>
  <description><![CDATA[If you want Flash fixed, this probably would appeal to you too: "I would donate a Dollar for a FREE fully-featured FLASH plugin" http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/1895/]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from elias1884</title>
  <description><![CDATA[This is just a test if this tool does handle "idea #number" the way launchpad handles "bug #number".<br /><br />idea #1869: Let's count how many people want Adobe to fix Flash]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from elias1884</title>
  <description><![CDATA[OK, it does not. Another idea then.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Estesark</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Although this isn't really an Ubuntu idea, there certainly could be a push for stronger support and integration. On that basis, I'm voting this up. However, every time I've used Gnash so far, it has been buggy and not displayed things properly, things that need to be fixed before it is included. I'm using the AMD64 distribution, don't know if that has anything to do with it.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from madjr</title>
  <description><![CDATA[The slowness is caused by flash 9,0,0,115 and all the new dumb stuff they implemented. Also, the so called hardware acceleration doesn't work. Thanks adobe for all your buggy linux product releases... the just keep getting worse yay...<br /><br />the solution is to re-install flash 9,0,0,48<br /><br />go to <br />http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_14266<br /><br />download the archived file<br />http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/installers/archive/fp9_archive.zip<br /><br />double click the installer and when asked open it in a terminal, follow the instructions.<br /><br />another way could be to run firefox and flash in wine. The latest flash has some ripping issues, maybe older versions for windows might work better. It's sad to have to install a windows version of a program on linux, because the native version sux and buggy as hell in comparison...]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from mikedep333</title>
  <description><![CDATA[My favorite firefox extension should help, it is called flashblock.<br />https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433<br />It disables a flash applet until you click on it.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from garett</title>
  <description><![CDATA[mikedep333: I have had Youtube and Google Analytics crash Firefox. Flashblock is ok for sites with random Flash ads but it's still a pain in the ass when you enable Youtube's flash player and Firefox crashes, or the flash plugin crashes and you have to restart Firefox.<br /><br />My wife actually went back to Windows because of Flash issues alone. Our kids were purchased these stuffed animals called "Webkinz" for Christmas that tie into a "virtual online pet" but the site is entirely flash-based (you can knock them for that but I don't see how they could have implemented their system any differently, it's one of those cases where Flash is a necessary evil). It works very poorly in Firefox/Linux.<br /><br />So like it or not, the web is going more Flash-based and more and more Windows users are coming to expect usage from Flash-based sites like Youtube, Google Analytics not to mention all of the online game sites that are implemented in Flash. <br /><br />I know we all hate Flash but unfortunately the reality is that this is actually something that can kill Linux on the desktop. <br /><br />So yes. Either pour money into getting Gnash 100% implemented or find a way to give Adobe financial incentive to get the official player up to snuff. A big "YES" vote from me here.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from ethana2</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Gnash must be default on LiveCD's and fresh installations until replaced by Flash.  If a flash file it can't handle is found, it should notify you that you need Flash to play it because it can't yet.<br /><br />Voted up.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 07:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Pekkalainen</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Flash is evil. But since youtube and other nice sites use it we need a free implementation of it. Adobes own flash player blows chunks. It has all the needed features but its performance is horrible. If I idle www.youtube.com for a while I can hear my computer rev up its fans, without even playing any videos!<br /><br />With Gnash we can have the advantage of flash support out of the box, not even Windows has that :)<br /><br />Voted up!]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from antistress</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Gnash will ever be incomplete in comparison to Flash (beacuse it is re-engineering)<br />The true solution should be to avoid flash like Apple does with Iphone.<br />With Totem 2.22 & YouTube browser plugin, you can navigate through youtube videos without your browser and then without having flash<br />What about having other plugins (dailymotion...)<br />and encourage the use of HTML5  element ?]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 23:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from arkara</title>
  <description><![CDATA[flash should be defaul installed but<br />it is not fully developed...]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from rockprincess</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Ladies and Gentlemen,<br /><br />vent your anger here<br /><a href="http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2007/12/flash_player_9_update_3_final.html#comments">blogs.adobe.com</a><br /><br />Trust me, everything else is just a waste of time.<br /><br />because<br /><br />ubuntu is not going to fix that problem<br /><br />and firefox won't fix it either.<br /><br />it's up to Adobe, and let's make it worthwhile and let's post a hurricane of complaints, so they won't forget about us linux users in the future.<br /><br />Thanks for reading]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from atrus</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Gnash getting proper support for most flash ( in particular you tube videos) would get us into a state where we could solve the huge flash+pulseaudio storm people are starting to hit in hardy now.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Nazo</title>
  <description><![CDATA[+1<br /><br />License-Free Spec<br />http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/04/licensefree_spec.html<br />Tamarin (ActionScript Virtual Machine（AVM2）)<br />http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Tamarin_Build_Documentation]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 11:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Eldmannen</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Yes, we need better Gnash.<br />Gnash is a High Priority Free Software project.<br />* http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/<br />* http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority.html]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from dracus</title>
  <description><![CDATA[+1 Gnash is awesome. I use it as my main flash player. Gnash is really close to having full functionality. According to the creator of the project they could finish in less then a year with just a few more developers. Adobe free spec is a joke because the disclosed all the things that people had already figure out or reverse engineered. So it really does us no good. ]]></description>
  <pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from dracus</title>
  <description><![CDATA[looking for more information on why to support Gnash and just how cool this project is visit this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoNvsiBTQDE lets make a better player then adobe!!! then adobe will go the way of IE did with browsers. who wants to use IE everyone wants Fire Fox or some derivative of FF. ]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Auzy</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Gnash is garbage, just like flash. It will ALWAYS be behind flash. Yes we should support it, but we should be prioritising a flash replacement which exclusively uses SVG/AJAX/JS, so that a player isn't needed. <br /><br />It would be best to get the people wasting time working of polishing a flash player, when we need a CREATOR that uses open technologies. <br /><br />]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Auzy</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Btw, it would be better if people didn't need a plugin at all. Using open technologies eliminates the need for a plugin, and the people who normally would work on the player, can instead work on optimising the browsers. ]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Predator106</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I totally agree, flash is soooo annoying and bloaty, it's quite bad. I also have it where it will occasionally crash after viewing a youtube video and closing the FF tab. I do like free & open-source things.<br /><br />Everything should be free, and we should try to make common things free, another example would be graphics card drivers, which proprietary always suck, ATI's are terrible especially.<br /><br />-Sorry, off-topic.<br /><br />+1 (and a half, because it's that great of an idea)]]></description>
  <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from martinmartiini</title>
  <description><![CDATA[ubuntu developers, please give us working flash (or gnash or whatever you want to call it) and stop screwing us, please!<br />anyone who tells me to try this-and-that will get punched in the face.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Auzy</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Its more important at this time martin, to make it possible for flash coders, to output their files as HTML/JS/SVG. At the moment, its not possible for developers to use anything other then flash. Thats the problem. <br /><br />So if we waste time on making a player, many more flash files will be released in the meantime. But if we instead work on a flash raw file to SVG/whatever converter, developers will have a way to release files that don't need the player, so we will stop the upward trend of flash usage. ]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Dave Jeffery</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I've been a Flash animator and developer for over ten years now. It's a nice format, and handy for animation of all kinds and video work. It's also big in the training field (have you seen salasaga?) too - Flash is *much* bigger than web pages. It also has a huge free and open source community.<br /><br />Look at ToonBoom, FlashDevelop or some of the things on the http://osflash.org/ site. <br /><br />In my view, for Gnash to work as a project it really, badly needs an IDE that can create graphical .swfs and a GNOME port of the FlashDevelop project. (The Flash community is split between actionscripters and animators, with an overlap in the middle that do both).<br /><br />If Gnash had it's own IDE it would encourage Flash developers to switch to Linux and to experiment with things like SVG. It would also put pressure on Adobe to implement SVG properly in Flash.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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