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Idea #11165: Improve Startup by implementing Fedora's Plymouth

bug This idea is a duplicate of Idea #21: Professional-looking bootloader.
Written by nevermind85 the 15 Jul 08 at 16:18. Category: System. Related project: Nothing/Others. Status: New
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Fedora is currently working on improving the startup experience by implementing Plymouth:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup

By doing this, transition from Grub to GDM (or KDM or whatever) would be done almost instantly. Plymouth will use a graphical boot mode with a fallback method to text for those computers that don't have hardware support.

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ilembitov wrote on the 15 Jul 08 at 17:32
YES-YES-YES =)
I wanted to post something like this, only thought that most Brainstormers won't support this.

ajjeckmans wrote on the 15 Jul 08 at 18:23
I support the idea but I do think that it should only be considered after Fedora has done all the dirty work of getting it to work at all :)

Madsrh wrote on the 15 Jul 08 at 18:36
I've just learned about Plymouth 5 minutes ago. You could submit a blueprint.

Eldmannen wrote on the 15 Jul 08 at 18:43
All I care about is speed.

VisitorQ wrote on the 15 Jul 08 at 20:02
Looks interesting.

But it doesnt necessarily bring the desktop 'instantly', as I read it its just seamlessness on the visuals.

+1, although I barely shutdown my computer.

Vadim P. wrote on the 15 Jul 08 at 20:05
When Fedora releases this, and it works OK and better, then I'll vote... 'till then, Fedora seems to be on the forefront of new stuff, only to be riddled with many many bugs from the new stuff right after.

mjwhitfield wrote on the 15 Jul 08 at 20:40
pushing the boundaries is good +1

Tuxoid wrote on the 16 Jul 08 at 01:03
Not only would I like to see this implemented; I would love to see contributions from Ubuntu developers to the project.

+1

wolfie2x wrote on the 27 Jul 08 at 08:03
+1

anything that'll speed up boot time..

I think it's technically feasible to start using a linux computer within 10-15 seconds. (not just login prompt; actually use)

If only we could get rid of the old init.d, drop/delay useless services, and streamline the whole process..

Vadim P. wrote on the 27 Jul 08 at 11:35
You... do know about upstart, right?

(which isn't fully working yet and they still need to re-do the boot scripts?)

jrusinek wrote on the 5 Aug 08 at 18:02
Remember that Fedora doesn't care about closed drivers and until nVidia and AMD (for fglrx) implement some features, Fedora will not start so nice like for Intel/etc.

hircus wrote on the 11 Sep 08 at 13:25
Seconding @Tuxoid here. @ajjeckmans and @Vadim P., considering Ubuntu is currently perceived by outsiders as not contributing back enough, you might not want to say things that give the perception that you encourage freeloading!

@VisitorQ: plymouth will help things like fast-user-switching, logging in and out, and switching to a virtual terminal as well. And @jrusinek, AMD/ATi support is actually forthcoming. In fact, in the current F10 (rawhide) kernel, only ATi support is enabled because the Intel driver is being reworked upstream.

Plymouth is safe at this point to start testing -- without a modesetting kernel, you get text-based boot anyway.

openstandards wrote on the 28 Oct 08 at 02:06
I actually believe this would be a step in the right direction for a bullet proof x, lets face it plymouth is already suitable for upstart.

Helping the fedora community push this, can lead to less bugs surely this is pretty much an answer for bling without taking a step backward.

Tabris wrote on the 13 Nov 08 at 03:38
My uptime is incredible big, but I like that stuff.

+1

ziroday (Brainstorm moderator) wrote on the 27 Nov 08 at 04:00
This was recently brought up on the -devel-discuss mailing list and will be discussed at UDS

slsolaris wrote on the 1 Dec 08 at 01:19
maybe canonical could make usplash better and make it by their own, and they should not take Plymouth

jeanpaul145 wrote on the 21 Dec 08 at 23:00
@slsolaris: I strongly disagree with you. Having every distro reinvent the wheel (and, if Canonical were to follow your advice, invent a cheap copy of it) just makes it harder for distro's and upstream devvers to cooperate, which means that development of nice features as a whole will almost grind to a halt.

Madsrh wrote on the 22 Dec 08 at 21:59
Just in case anyone missed it. Plymouth was discussed at UDS and will most likely make it into Ubuntu 9.10

http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2008/12/no-plymouth-for-ubuntu-904.html

Slug71 wrote on the 24 Dec 08 at 03:38
Really hope we see it in 9.10. Sucks that it wont be in Jaunty!

mbaszczewski wrote on the 26 Dec 08 at 08:53
I love plymouth :) => Ubuntu 9.04 should have it.

w00dst0ck. wrote on the 23 Feb 09 at 05:29
Just to let you know, that even without a mode-setting kernel you can get a none text bootup with Plymouth. All I you have to do is pass vga=791 (for example) in the kernel line in your grub.conf

It's rather nice actually, though since I don't have an intel based gfx it's not flicker free


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