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Abatrour
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:00
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Well duh... Now do you have any suggestions on how to ACTUALLY make it more user friendly?
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Remmy
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:02
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Linux is no less user friendly than windows. You simply need to take time to learn a new way of doing things. Install wizards are nearly impossible. Hardware is different and software must be configured to work correctly. Packaging systems use generic builds to allow it to work across different hardware configurations.
This is one of the worst misconceptions in Linux. It's not Windows and never will be. Ubuntu is Debian based and therefore uses apt. That isn't going to change.
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sawjew2
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:03
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The package manager is one the greatest aspects of Ubuntu. What could be possibly be easier than opening add/remove and browsing or searching for the package and then click to install. No googling then downloading then finding the package and clicking 15 times to get it installed. One of the first things I did when forced to use Windows at work was to install appupdater to simulate a package manager for Windows.
Synaptic/apt-get rules!!
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Greyor
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:04
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Compared to Slackware, which I tried about ten years ago, with which I ended up inadvertently nuking my DOS/Windows partition as well -- Ubuntu is rather easy. The package manager is fantastic, as long as you get used to using it (like the above commenter said). Don't ask for everything handed to you on a platter -- much has already been handed to us in the advances Ubuntu has made. Moderation.
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your all capable of doing it, but after doing tech support work, i am convinced it will never take off without this, you can bag it as much as you like, you can say its a windows thing as much as you like, but it will never be viable without it...learning a new way of doing it crap, it should be so visually simple that a kid could do it
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richbrun
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:10
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While agree we should always be looking at ways to improve experience for new users, I really don't think getting rid of the package manager is the right way to go, as this is core to the Ubuntu experience, and makes setting up and maintaining your system a breeze.
If the Package Manager is too much for a newbie, then they should be using the Add/Remove interface off the application menu.
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if 90% of computer users struggle to install software. linux is cannot really succeed, face the fact that the vast majority of computer users are not capable of installing software under linux when they could easily under win or macosx...
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i know package manager on ubuntu is ok, but id like to see a real alternative to windows that isnt mac...
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with wizards im not just talking about installers...wizards for everything, like win or macosx
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k.y
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:32
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The day Ubuntu "gets rid of this package manager", i will change! I personally think that it would make Windows more user friendly by adding a package manager to their system.
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yman
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:37
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When it comes to installing software, there are two easy ways in Ubuntu:
1. Take a deb file (that's a file who's name ends with the characters .deb) and double click it. You'll get a little installation wizard, except you'll have much fewer steps than in an installer for Windows.
the process:
A. double-click the .deb file.
B. Click on the "install" button in the window that opens.
C. Enter your password.
D. Pass your time playing Solitaire, browsing the Web, or twiddling your thumbs.
Enjoy your newly installed application.
Or:
2. In the GNOME Menu Bar at the top left corner of the screen (or top right, if you have right-to-left desktop) go to Applications -> Add / Remove Applications.
A. Choose the category of the application you want from the list on the left side of the "Add / Remove Applications" window, or skip to step B.
B. Search for the name of the application, or words that relate to what it does, in the search area in the top left corner. You may skip to step C.
C. In the list of applications in the top-right area of the window: Fill the checkbox near the entry of every application you want to install, and empty the checkbox near the entry of any application you want to remove.
D. Click "Apply".
E. Click "OK" in the window that opens.
F. Pass your time playing Solitaire, browsing the Web, or twiddling your thumbs.
Enjoy your newly installed application, or vacated space on your hard drive.
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baby duck syndrome at its finest.
I have setup Linux for users with little computer experience and they love it, they sit down in front of windows and don't know what to do, they think windows is user-unfriendly. Just like a hardened window user would think of Mac, or Linux.
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As an X Windows users,I have to say I REALLY like the Linux package manager.
What's funny is after using Linux for three years,I had to use Windows and I actually forgot (for a few minutes) how to install cause I was so used to the Linux way.
I love opening up the package manager and just browsing,or asking for something and it being found for me and I just sit back and it does all the work.
It's a real treasure.
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I get the feeling I'm going to be voting down on a lot of these asinine "Make Linux more like Windows" ideas. To me, this is another way Microsoft has hurt the industry. Too many migrators don't really want to migrate, they just want the same thing over again. If you want Linux to be like Windows, then you're not really ready to be unplugged from it.
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Halgeir
wrote on the 2 Mar 08 at 02:37
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I am daily helping a lot of people with computers (done this for about 15 years now). I roughly estimate that on the Windows system 90% of users I have met, can't install software (I talk about non technical users here). Why? Basically because the Windows the installer wizard ask to many questions, and it's too complicated.
Ubuntu have really got this right. The only thing I miss is a more intuitive and easy way to add new package libs. Like a simple point and click metod from a browser. Using words like programs would be better than package for most people.
The package manager could also improve. It could be integrated into a add/remove programs under a advanced tab. The name Synaptic Package manager is also cryptic. It should simply be called program installer.
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Amen Halgeir.
Synaptic Package Manager (you're kidding right?). Okay, that might have sounded cool to some nerds involved in the early development of the manager as a code name (like Longhorn, or Gutsy Gibbon), but it needs to end there. I don't ever want to see the word 'Synaptic' on a menu again, unless it deals with a mouse driver.
But guess what? The egos are so big on this community, a developer will read this post and be God damned if the name changes.
And yes, I know the literal meaning of the word synaptic. It doesn't apply to a frigging package manager so give it up.
Just that word alone will scare newbies away. Maybe that's what the Ubuntu community wants... an OS for a small percentage of geeks. Good luck with that.
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@ozone702
Worry about your own ego. If you don't like the name "Synaptic", then post an idea requesting a name-change. Calling people names just because they won't agree with you is just childish (particularly if the names are geek and nerd).
As for the Wizard-idea. Wizards are only good when there is a reason for the user to deviate from a standard way of doing things. Most of the times, on Windows, installing an application through a Wizard is just a matter of clicking "next, next, next..." without making any modifications or even looking at the steps you click through. I'd rather reduce the number of clicks if possible.
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k99goran, I'm frustrated with this community, that's all. I should hold my temper and logically present my views.
BTW, do you know the difference between a geek and a nerd?
Answer: Geeks get laid.
I made that up a few years ago, you like it?
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jespdj
wrote on the 12 Mar 08 at 11:23
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average-joe: "if 90% of computer users struggle to install software. linux is cannot really succeed, face the fact that the vast majority of computer users are not capable of installing software under linux when they could easily under win or macosx..."
Really? What is so difficult about selecting Applications, Add / Remove? It is very user-friendly.
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glotz
wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 00:36
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Go back to play world of warcraft!
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aebmyasz
wrote on the 10 Jun 08 at 18:02
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Use Windows.
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