Idea #10421: Ubuntu needs simple thumbnail based video editing.

Written by animaniac the 28 Jun 08 at 13:39. Category: Multimedia.
Related to: Nothing/Others. Status: New

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Kino is seriously outdated and Avidemux is only good for a few simple tasks. Cinelerra and jahshaka are too complex.

Ubuntu needs a simple thumbnail based video editing solution that can work with a variety of formats (GStreamer).

In the age of YouTube and where everyone has a video camera the importance of this cannot be underestimated.

This has been suggested before in quite good detail, but only in a comment:

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xirtus wrote on the 21 May 08 at 10:37
hey I really want to say the most important thing right now for a open video editor is that it has to be thumbnail based like the new imovie 08. This should be very easy to accomplish, many folks have been doing this for some time in some form or another; editing on compressed files and then applying the edits to the higher definition originals...

This means less processing, and no rendering until the final render out...

An open source video editor that offered a thumbnail workflow would blast away most of the competition...
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Tags: cinelerra editing imovie kino moviemaker multimedia video

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carlos wrote on the 28 Jun 08 at 19:21

How about http://www.pitivi.org/wiki/Main_Page

uaneme wrote on the 29 Jun 08 at 04:14

+1

Cinelerra is great tho it's GUI is a bit heavy on the mind. If cinelerra had a good 'getting started' guide for very basic useage that would make a big difference.

Jahshaka's GUI is more intuitive but i can't get working anymore...

These 2 are great tools. Last time i tryed pitivi, Ubuntu started spitting out kernel panic. so i'd say wait until they reached v1.0

uaneme wrote on the 29 Jun 08 at 05:13

also keep an eye on http://lumiera.org/

Truefire wrote on the 29 Jun 08 at 18:20

What about kdenlive? It's in the repos.

animaniac wrote on the 29 Jun 08 at 18:58

Truefire: Seriously?....dont be silly. Also not thumbnail-based editing.

All these alternatives people mention don't come near iMovie '08. We need something better than iMovie. Lets have similar work flow with smaller hardware requirements and larger codec support.

uaneme wrote on the 30 Jun 08 at 17:52

animaniac, i think you need to get involved with the lumiere crew and cinelerra also... send your Pidgin to irc.ubuntu.com #lumiere or #cinelerra, Cinelerra is scaring off newbies by it's complexity. Tho it is a great program.

Also in akirad's cinelerra repo he included LiVES maybe that's more of you likings???

animaniac wrote on the 30 Jun 08 at 21:25

uaneme: im not saying that cinerella should be newbie friendly since i see it in the same class as Premiere pro or final cut pro. You cant have that many functions in video editing software and make it so that it can be used without reading a bible.

LiVES is looking good, but will someone who never did any video editing before be able to use it without having to read up, the answer (unless very tech savy) NO. The reason im using iMovie 08 as an example is because it has a incredibly simple interface, and even though it isn't crammed with features, users can accomplish basic video editing without much preperation.

We need something thats only for simple stuff, the advanced stuffs already here. think MS Paint (incredibly many people are satisfied having just that, they don't need photoshop.

PiTiVi is very early in development, but i am liking the mockups for the simple interface, a solution here would be to take only the simple ui part and put the project in the fast lane. Probably easier than starting from 0, yet also giving everything the avarage user needs in video editing.

http://www.pitivi.org/wiki/Simple_UI_Mockups

The only prob i see at this early stage is that once a clip is added to the time-line it should be divided into small thumbnails, hope this makes sense:

____________________________
[Media Selection] [Playback]
----------------------------
[][][][]thumbnails[][][][][]
=========timeline==========
|clip1|effect|clip2|ending|
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨

the thubnails apply to the selected object in the timeline, (eg, clip1)

animaniac wrote on the 30 Jun 08 at 22:24

So the workflow would be like this:
http://www.apple.com/findouthow/movies/#tutorial=create
Even if the areas might be placed differently.

Just to be more clear: in my example above, the thumbnails could apply to the media selection too(for adding only what you need down to the timeline) or as stated before, apply to all ready added clips incase you want to shorten them)

The whole idea with the thumbnails is to make clipping very simple. that is the part i think should be copied from iMovie. The rest is looking quite good as is.

uaneme wrote on the 3 Jul 08 at 00:20

yes, i now see your point and i agree. A simple movie tool for the masses. And for now i think PiTiVi is heading to that direction.

And for packages like Jashaka and Cinelerra maybe a toggle switch to basic, moderate and advanced mode?

The build in you-tube connectivity is also a part of what makes it easy for average users (who don't have a clue about FTP)

another +1 just for the energy you put in to your explanation.

animaniac wrote on the 3 Jul 08 at 10:40

uaneme: nice idea on the youtube connectivity:)

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