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Auzy
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 13:08
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It would be nice, but your OSX crowd isn't likely to switch to linux anytime soon (steves aura has already trapped them for life). I'd rather just see new PC hardware get supported quicker. I cant boot the current version of Ubuntu or kubuntu on my PC I just bought at the moment. It gets crashy, grub needs editing, and kubuntu dies before loading the graphical bootup sequence. I had to install using an older version, and that was crashy.
And the hardware I have should be real popular soon (if not already). So I don't think Apple hardware is a priority as much. Better to fully support Dell's lineup first (who do support linux). Then if there is time, worry about what Apple is doing.
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guy
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 18:17
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Love Apple hardware and love ubuntu!
Am using the new Apple wireless keyboard with my pc and its great but smoother integration would also be great. I think this idea encompasses other ideas here like multimedia keyboard support (apple bt wireless keymappings), better bluetooth support etc.
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I installed Edgy on Mac Mini and everything worked flawlessly out of the box.
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kab
wrote on the 2 Mar 08 at 08:59
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Apple computers are PC's! At least the Intel one. The only difference is, that Apple uses the new EFI Firmware instead of a crapy old bios from the 80' like all other PC manufactures do. The tools and patches are there to successfully install Ubuntu on current Apple Computers, but there is a lot of hand tuning involved, if you want to use Ubuntu on a MacBook Pro per example.
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spyyder
wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 00:40
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@Auzy
Most of teh recent Apple computers are simply PC's with OS X running. Resolving functionality issue with mac could also resolve issue with other computers. So this is a good thing.
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Supporting Apple's stuff should be pretty easy as they offer a very limited amount of hardware options.
But I think it is more important to have good support for Dell who sell systems with Ubuntu. And I think Lenovo is moving towards shipping preinstalled ubuntu soon also. Focus on them.
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I want to run Ubuntu on Mac Pro (not Macbook Pro) because I need decent access to Clearcase from a decent *nix operating system. IBM/Rational do not provide a native client for OSX (Despite providing it for 32/64bit Linux, Solaris, HPUX, Windows etc) so that narrows things down for me.
OSX is great, but if I can't easily access the code I'm working on, it starts to suck :(
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terra
wrote on the 14 Jul 08 at 21:52
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I'm buying a Macbook Pro for university. I mainly chose it because of its metal enclosure. I'm dual booting Leopard and Ubuntu- ubuntu for the coding I'll need to do and OS X for stuff like photoshop.
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Auzy
wrote on the 15 Jul 08 at 00:37
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I know spyyder... I did sell Apple computers up until recently...
The question is, to what extent should we focus on making Apple's hardware work?
1) OSX has X11 support, so why would developers use Linux?
2) OSX has GCC support, so why would developers use Linux?
3) OSX and everything Apple does is bad for us. They are all about DRM, and they sure as hell aren't making any efforts to let any of their devices or DRM itunes songs work on linux.
4) If we promote ubuntu on Macs, if anything, we will simply lose users (they will just use OSX instead, because why would you pay a premium to be able to use a OS, when you don't use that OS).
I vote -1, I don't think Canonical should actively pursue Apple Hardware support because supporting Apple hardware is pretty much just advertising to buy a Mac and OSX, and may actually lose some of our crowd.
If people want to try to support it, they can add support by themselves (as spydder said it is just normal hardware). But I don't want to encourage people to buy hardware, which salespeople could then advertise as triple bootable, when the manufacturer (who has already charged $100 more then other manufacturers) actually has the nerve to even charge for a driver to use 802.11n. Apple is bad for consumers.
Supporting Apple hardware wont boost our userbase, it will simply encourage users to buy macs and use OSX.
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droetker
wrote on the 22 Jul 08 at 07:55
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YOU are the developers.
You guys who have Macs, go and fill in bug reports, try to make the system work better, provide patches and help.
We are Linux.
That's the difference. Try asking Apple supporting some hardware. Or Microsoft supporting some features. Nope.
Get to work, don't complain.
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@ droetker: Sorry, but arrogant comments like this do not help anyone.
The problem is that many users do file bugs, but only very few people care about these bugs. When I read MacBook Pro related bug threads at launchpad, I sometimes get the impression there is merely Mac power users with a lot of good will writing there but hardly any programmers. Pity is that MacBook Pro bug filers do not even get answers like "We cannot implement this because ...". They have to wait, wait, wait for progress.
I would greatly favor proper Ubuntu support on MacBook Pros, would that be legal and possible?
As long as Ubuntu does not run properly on many Macs, I recommend you
- put some warnings on the official Ubuntu wikis and
- put a warning into the Ubuntu installation process (something like "Warning: You are using a ... . There is no out-of-the-box function of this operating system on this machine."). Currently, many Ubuntu sites encourage people to buy Macs by pretending it's all pretty easy. (It is ok to encourage people to buy Macs, but at the moment IMHO it would be better if this kept using MacOSX.)
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wozyjob
wrote on the 24 Oct 08 at 13:34
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I cannot emphasize the importance of this job request, that Ubuntu support the MacBook, MacBook Pro, and Mac Pro machines right out of the box.
For some reason, almost everyone here seems to be block-headed. The request is legitimate and important. It doesn't matter that bits and pieces of hardware (CPU, keyboard, mouse, whatever) are supported, or that Macs are PCs, or that MacHeads prefer OS-X, or that OS-X does X-11, or that WHATEVER. Those arguments are stupid and beside the point. We just need these machines supported out of the box, straight from CD. Now.
Apple's machines are pretty standardized, probably more so than any other manufacturer in the world. If GNU/Linux can support more devices than any other OS in the world, then this is not such an unreasonable request.
There are bits and pieces of literature around the Internet, but we need support for these machines "straight from the horse's mouth". Your average Joe out that prefers to use a Mac shouldn't have to fight and fight to get his machine half-running on Ubuntu.
Say what you may, but, IMHO, Apple's machines are the best in the world. Period. It behooves us to make sure they are supported out of the box.
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@wozyjob. Have you actually tested Ubuntu on a mac yet, because it sounds like you are going on a rage-fest based on philosophy, but haven't attempted it yourself. Maybe you haven't attempted it because you realise there is no point?
I think you are all forgetting:
1) I worked at an applecentre. So yes, I am giving you facts, not assumptions. Don't call me a blockhead wozyjob, when its obvious you believe so little in this computer that you haven't even tested linux on a mac before!
2) I only ever had a SINGLE customer who was interested in triple booting linux (a developer). The developers seemed happy using vmware/parallels. Don't go to me saying "well there are lots of people who want to do it". Well no.. There aren't... Ubuntu doesn't support technologies such as Dtrace, so developers only dual boot if there is good reason. When we catch up in the future, then we should start, but its still too early.
And OSX has support for pretty much all the linux libs (even X11). Only game developers really need native Linux support, and such developers would be using Mac Pro's, that have no real problems running ubuntu.
3) You guys obviously haven't actually tested it.. I have! Last I tried, only the proprietary mousepad, presumably the accelerometer and wireless didn't work on a laptop. Wireless would be fixed with the new broadcom/atheros drivers, and the mousepad issues probably have been too. The accelerometer support is covered in other ideas. You haven't even tested this far have you wozyjob? You have simply assumed! And the problems of it running on a Mac Pro (at the time), should be fixed.
If Apple has done things properly, even the new display webcams should work!
4) Boot camp is a massive hack, which is probably why grub didn't work as expected when I tried it. It works by hackishly transforming a GUID harddisk into a MBR like one (at least it seemed like a hack). Its not our fault. Grub2 will fix this with efi support anyway. Any other OS would have similar issues. Either way, a second HDD can be used for linux to get around this problem.
5) We have the same issues on the latest Apple hardware, as we do on any other hardware.
6) How daft do you need to be to believe that users seeking new ubuntu computers, are going to rush out and buy Apple computers just to run Ubuntu (when they are significantly more expensive then others)? Are you serious? Apple hardware may be growing in popularity, but it doesn't mean pouring resources into supporting them instead of other manufacturers will increase our market-share. If we team up with HP for instance, they will do their best to help us!
7) Your average joe running ubuntu wont be running it on a Mac... Period!
8) Standardised more then others? Hahahaha. What, you mean HP, Dell, and IBM's models are modified every week?
Sorry, but getting into HP's pants so they make ubuntu an option on sale, is MUCH better for ubuntu. Users will generally stick with the OS that comes with their system. And Apple hardware will NEVER come with Ubuntu preinstalled (at least not officially supported).
@oss_test_launchpad. I haven't seen anyone recommending macs to linux users. As mentioned, their hardware support is about on par with other new hardware. I agree we need some way for users to test their hardware before installing for support though
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