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It would be great to have Ubuntu working out of the box on Apple's current line of laptops and desktops (MacBook, MacBook Pro, Mac Pro). Currently, installing Ubuntu on a Mac is an involved process and things like the wireless networking, touchpad, cpu fans, etc. never seem to work quite right.
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Auzy wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 13:08
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It would be nice, but your OSX crowd isn't likely to switch to linux anytime soon (steves aura has already trapped them for life). I'd rather just see new PC hardware get supported quicker. I cant boot the current version of Ubuntu or kubuntu on my PC I just bought at the moment. It gets crashy, grub needs editing, and kubuntu dies before loading the graphical bootup sequence. I had to install using an older version, and that was crashy.
And the hardware I have should be real popular soon (if not already). So I don't think Apple hardware is a priority as much. Better to fully support Dell's lineup first (who do support linux). Then if there is time, worry about what Apple is doing.
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guy wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 18:17
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Love Apple hardware and love ubuntu!
Am using the new Apple wireless keyboard with my pc and its great but smoother integration would also be great. I think this idea encompasses other ideas here like multimedia keyboard support (apple bt wireless keymappings), better bluetooth support etc.
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rawsausage wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 17:24
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I installed Edgy on Mac Mini and everything worked flawlessly out of the box.
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kab wrote on the 2 Mar 08 at 08:59
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Apple computers are PC's! At least the Intel one. The only difference is, that Apple uses the new EFI Firmware instead of a crapy old bios from the 80' like all other PC manufactures do. The tools and patches are there to successfully install Ubuntu on current Apple Computers, but there is a lot of hand tuning involved, if you want to use Ubuntu on a MacBook Pro per example.
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spyyder wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 00:40
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@Auzy
Most of teh recent Apple computers are simply PC's with OS X running. Resolving functionality issue with mac could also resolve issue with other computers. So this is a good thing.
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5ebastian wrote on the 9 Mar 08 at 03:05
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Supporting Apple's stuff should be pretty easy as they offer a very limited amount of hardware options.
But I think it is more important to have good support for Dell who sell systems with Ubuntu. And I think Lenovo is moving towards shipping preinstalled ubuntu soon also. Focus on them.
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james.fry wrote on the 1 Apr 08 at 01:43
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I want to run Ubuntu on Mac Pro (not Macbook Pro) because I need decent access to Clearcase from a decent *nix operating system. IBM/Rational do not provide a native client for OSX (Despite providing it for 32/64bit Linux, Solaris, HPUX, Windows etc) so that narrows things down for me.
OSX is great, but if I can't easily access the code I'm working on, it starts to suck :(
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terra wrote on the 14 Jul 08 at 21:52
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I'm buying a Macbook Pro for university. I mainly chose it because of its metal enclosure. I'm dual booting Leopard and Ubuntu- ubuntu for the coding I'll need to do and OS X for stuff like photoshop.
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Auzy wrote on the 15 Jul 08 at 00:37
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I know spyyder... I did sell Apple computers up until recently...
The question is, to what extent should we focus on making Apple's hardware work?
1) OSX has X11 support, so why would developers use Linux?
2) OSX has GCC support, so why would developers use Linux?
3) OSX and everything Apple does is bad for us. They are all about DRM, and they sure as hell aren't making any efforts to let any of their devices or DRM itunes songs work on linux.
4) If we promote ubuntu on Macs, if anything, we will simply lose users (they will just use OSX instead, because why would you pay a premium to be able to use a OS, when you don't use that OS).
I vote -1, I don't think Canonical should actively pursue Apple Hardware support because supporting Apple hardware is pretty much just advertising to buy a Mac and OSX, and may actually lose some of our crowd.
If people want to try to support it, they can add support by themselves (as spydder said it is just normal hardware). But I don't want to encourage people to buy hardware, which salespeople could then advertise as triple bootable, when the manufacturer (who has already charged $100 more then other manufacturers) actually has the nerve to even charge for a driver to use 802.11n. Apple is bad for consumers.
Supporting Apple hardware wont boost our userbase, it will simply encourage users to buy macs and use OSX.
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droetker wrote on the 22 Jul 08 at 07:55
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YOU are the developers.
You guys who have Macs, go and fill in bug reports, try to make the system work better, provide patches and help.
We are Linux.
That's the difference. Try asking Apple supporting some hardware. Or Microsoft supporting some features. Nope.
Get to work, don't complain.
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oss_test_launchpad wrote on the 30 Jul 08 at 10:49
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@ droetker: Sorry, but arrogant comments like this do not help anyone.
The problem is that many users do file bugs, but only very few people care about these bugs. When I read MacBook Pro related bug threads at launchpad, I sometimes get the impression there is merely Mac power users with a lot of good will writing there but hardly any programmers. Pity is that MacBook Pro bug filers do not even get answers like "We cannot implement this because ...". They have to wait, wait, wait for progress.
I would greatly favor proper Ubuntu support on MacBook Pros, would that be legal and possible?
As long as Ubuntu does not run properly on many Macs, I recommend you
- put some warnings on the official Ubuntu wikis and
- put a warning into the Ubuntu installation process (something like "Warning: You are using a ... . There is no out-of-the-box function of this operating system on this machine."). Currently, many Ubuntu sites encourage people to buy Macs by pretending it's all pretty easy. (It is ok to encourage people to buy Macs, but at the moment IMHO it would be better if this kept using MacOSX.)
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