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Their is a program that shows the earth and you add different layers over it but it seems to be too inadequate. A new one should be made. Although we may not be able to get satellite images we can create a program that shows a digital earth and we can change that map settings from topographical or political. Since we have Linux in many languages we can get lots of help in creating a digital earth.
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Primož Papič wrote on the 22 Jun 08 at 19:00
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google earth is available in medibuntu repo or somewhere so I don't know why is there need for another program of this type.
Also medibuntu repo is good for drivers and support for MP3, DVDs etc.
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nevermind85 wrote on the 22 Jun 08 at 20:04
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What is wrong exactly about Google Earth? You have MS's Virtual Earth you you want :) try to make that work with wine.
Sorry, no plausible reason provided. -1
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dualscreenman wrote on the 22 Jun 08 at 20:20
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There's always Marble.
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Eldmannen wrote on the 22 Jun 08 at 22:22
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"What is wrong exactly about Google Earth?"
It is proprietary software.
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Eldmannen wrote on the 22 Jun 08 at 22:25
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Actually, it would be kind of nice with an 3D application like that.
It could have other stuff than Google Earth. It could be extended with extensions by the community.
It could import data about temperature, mountains, valleys, animals, etc.
It could be in full 3D with mountains that raise and valleys that go down.
It could be really cool.
It could be used for visualizations and simulations and stuff. Perhaps integrated via APIs into other applications.
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poflaco wrote on the 23 Jun 08 at 01:16
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Eldmannen is onto the type of program I visualize. I think that Marble isn't exactly adequate. A linux program should be created so that it can rival google earth. This would make linux look better.
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Auzy wrote on the 23 Jun 08 at 01:24
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Yeah, but I dont think its something Canonical should spend time doing though..
You guys can always program it. A program similar to google earth should be pretty simple to code.
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HDave wrote on the 23 Jun 08 at 02:44
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It's not the program, its the content. Where do you plan to get all the images?
Ironically, for street mapping, we have free and open data, but no program....
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Auzy wrote on the 23 Jun 08 at 02:48
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Actually, for street mapping look up navit and other OpenStreetmaps compatible programs
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nevermind85 wrote on the 23 Jun 08 at 04:34
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@Eldmannen: and what exactly is wrong about commercial programs? I mean, I'm a free software fan and everything, but commercial software isn't bad per se. Google Earth works, and it has way more functions that any FOSS project would ever be able to provide. Period.
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Eldmannen wrote on the 23 Jun 08 at 06:31
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HDave,
Either it could get the images from public domain resources such as satellite imaging and GPS data, or it could just not have that stuff, but it could have other interesting data. Example go back in time, and see how the world was and how the ice age progressed or together with a physics engine how an asteroid would crash, etc. Besides satellite photos and street maps, there are plenty of possibilities.
nevermind85,
I never said anything was wrong with commercial software. I have no problem with commercial software.
There are commercial software that are FOSS.
What I don't like is proprietary software. It is closed source, and I don't trust it. It has a restrictive license which may prevent me of doing things I think I should be able to do.
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poflaco wrote on the 23 Jun 08 at 16:39
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@nevermind85, the only reason that google earth works and has so many functions is cause its sponsored by a multi billion dollar company. If we made our own linux version with different features that would be able to compete with it, it would embarrass a multi billion dollar company, showing people that they can get alot out of free software and linux and that it can readily compete with for-profit companies.
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dualscreenman wrote on the 23 Jun 08 at 17:42
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Actually, Marble for KDE 4.1 has gotten OpenStreetMap support.
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nevermind85 wrote on the 23 Jun 08 at 18:05
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@Eldmannen: then sorry, I misunderstood you. Still, I like Google Software, even when it's proprietary.
@poflaco: I would really like to see anything that's FOSS and able to compete successfully with Google Earth; still I don't think Canonical should do it.
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tackat wrote on the 25 Jun 08 at 01:12
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Hi,
Marble isn't exactly in competition with Google Earth. However if you feel like there is something missing, we'd gladly accept help. And of course we'd also provide help to anybody who wants to get started.
You can help us by creating documentation, providing translation and of course by creating source code. The latter might be a bit of a problem to some as the math that gets used for virtual globes is quite advanced compared to what gets used in other applications. Just join us on #kde-edu or write to marble-devel@kde.org.
Several man years have gone into Marble already. Yes, the focus is slightly different from Google Earth but it's a virtual globe and in terms of architecture they don't differ that much from each other. And I see no technical reason why one wouldn't be able to create some kind of Google Earth clone based on Marble (except for the fact that we can't use the Google Earth data -- but we want to promote truely free data anyways).
Torsten Rahn
Marble Team
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nevermind85 wrote on the 25 Jun 08 at 13:44
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I like the idea behind Marble and I really wish them success.
However, to all the others; where the hell are you going to get free (as in freedom) real imaginery to model a 3D earth? Where are all those images going to be hosted? Can you get a free (as in freedom) satellite to photograph all the planet to keep the images updated every once in a while?.
Sorry, I would love to live in a world where money is not needed for everything; but there are some things that only huge multi-billion dollar companies can do.
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tackat wrote on the 25 Jun 08 at 20:03
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nevermind85:
Well, there do already exist huge amounts of free satellite imagery. And there are also excellent projects like OpenStreetMaps which work on free street maps.
Additionally there's a trend that countries are more and more getting aware of the importance of providing free information, maps and aerial imagery to their citizens. With this trend continuing I'm pretty sure that in about 2-3 years the availability of aerial photos and free streetmaps will be a lot better than today.
Just take a step back and think about the fact that only a decade ago people said the same thing about Linux:
"Sorry, I would love to live in a world where money is not needed for everything; but there are some things that only huge multi-billion dollar companies can do."
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poflaco wrote on the 26 Jun 08 at 16:14
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Tachet,
Well, i tried Marble and I was pleased with it, but I just felt it didn't have enough features, I only suggest a few smaller features, such as being able to bend the line of measurement with the mouse to see how different routes are different distances and being able to put a flag on a location that one would like to visit or visited. I also noticed that their was a function for saving and opening maps, is this only for a map i was looking at or can i upload new maps of the earth or specific places on the internet?
Oh, and I noticed that Kosovo is not in Europe, since its a new country can you put in the borders so it doesnt seem like a part of serbia anymore.
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poflaco wrote on the 26 Jun 08 at 16:20
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East Timor is also missing. It would be cool if De facto countries also were drawn in with dash marked borders.
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tackat wrote on the 26 Jun 08 at 20:58
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> such as being able to bend the line of measurement
> with the mouse to see how different routes are
> different distances
Start Marble and try right mouse click on the start node, press "Add Measure Point" and keep adding nodes until you've measured the whole distance ....
> and being able to put a flag on a location that one
> would like to visit or visited.
This one is on our near term TODO already.
> I also noticed that their was a function for saving
> and opening maps,
So far this is only for our (very basic) KML and GPX file format support.
> i upload new maps of the earth or specific places
> on the internet?
You can create new maps and submit them to us. We'd gladly put them up for download. To see how this works please read my blog series about "Marble's Secrets":
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3269
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3272
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3275
Best Regards,
Torsten
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tackat wrote on the 26 Jun 08 at 21:08
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> East Timor is also missing.
Yeah, the vector data is a bit outdated here and there. We intend to replace it by better data soon.
> It would be cool if De facto countries also were
> drawn in with dash marked borders.
More sophisticated country border styles are on my TODO as well. If you bug me enough so I don't forget about them, they'll be in KDE 4.1 already ;-)
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