Contributor TheFinePrint on brainstorm.ubuntu.com
Solution #1:
Hide current vote result until vote is given to get uninfluenced votes.
Written by
Cube the 17 Oct 10 at 18:23.
On almost every other website, where votes or polls are used, the current result is only shown AFTER the user has passed his own uninfluenced vote.
On almost every other website, where votes or polls are used, the current result is only shown AFTER the user has passed his own uninfluenced vote.
Solution #2:
Show total number of votes, but no details until voted on
Written by
Aielyn the 23 Oct 10 at 16:08.
So basically, right now, Solution #1 says 44 votes, in the form of 52 promotions, 6 don't care, and 8 demotions.
Make it so that, until the user votes, all it does is say "66 votes in total", and doesn't actually show the visual breakdown colour bar.
(EDIT: Just to make it clearer, it's not showing the positive minus negative votes value (52-8), it's showing the total number of people who have voted at all (52+6+8))
So basically, right now, Solution #1 says 44 votes, in the form of 52 promotions, 6 don't care, and 8 demotions.
Make it so that, until the user votes, all it does is say "66 votes in total", and doesn't actually show the visual breakdown colour bar.
(EDIT: Just to make it clearer, it's not showing the positive minus negative votes value (52-8), it's showing the total number of people who have voted at all (52+6+8))
Solution #3:
Only vote from the idea page.
I think a skewed vote is more likely to happen if a voter votes on something they don't really understand. The voter will likely base the decision on existing votes.
It is /very/ easy to vote on anything in 'Popular ideas' for example, even if not understood.
I propose that votes can only be made or changed from the idea page, where comments can be seen.
(The idea page for this idea is:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/26158/
If you can see comments then you are already on it.)
This will discourage voters who aren't that interested in the topic from voting, and will encourage voters to read comments.
Let face it, if a voter can't be bothered to click on the idea page and perhaps read a few comments,
then are they really putting enough thought into the vote?
(This solution is not mutually exclusive.)
I think a skewed vote is more likely to happen if a voter votes on something they don't really understand. The voter will likely base the decision on existing votes.
It is /very/ easy to vote on anything in 'Popular ideas' for example, even if not understood.
I propose that votes can only be made or changed from the idea page, where comments can be seen.
(The idea page for this idea is:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/26158/
If you can see comments then you are already on it.)
This will discourage voters who aren't that interested in the topic from voting, and will encourage voters to read comments.
Let face it, if a voter can't be bothered to click on the idea page and perhaps read a few comments,
then are they really putting enough thought into the vote?
(This solution is not mutually exclusive.)
Solution #4:
Implement a two-rounds vote
Written by
ganassa the 26 Oct 10 at 12:59.
I propose to make 2 rounds: the first one is exactly the same as the current one, you can vote any solution and see results in realtime. After a determined period of time, the poll will include only the two most voted ideas. In this way you can vote any idea disregarding the popularity at that moment, so you won't be influenced, but you can fallback to a most-popular solution when the final round has become.
I propose to make 2 rounds: the first one is exactly the same as the current one, you can vote any solution and see results in realtime. After a determined period of time, the poll will include only the two most voted ideas. In this way you can vote any idea disregarding the popularity at that moment, so you won't be influenced, but you can fallback to a most-popular solution when the final round has become.
Solution #5:
Let the users choose how the results are displayed to them
Written by
Daklok the 26 Oct 10 at 20:03.
Give an option for users to decide whether they want to show or hide the current results of a solution they haven't voted on yet.
Give an option for users to decide whether they want to show or hide the current results of a solution they haven't voted on yet.
Solution #6:
Show the current results...
...to help people decide what they should do.
...to help people decide what they should do.
Older proposed solutions are displayed more prominently in Brainstorm
Written by replicator-snail the 7 Oct 10 at 01:15.
Category: Idea structure.
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If you view a Brainstorm idea with multiple proposed solutions, solutions are shown chronological order. This puts the newest solutions at the bottom, where they are less likely to be seen; older solutions that many people have already looked at are on top.
So newer solutions tend to stay at the bottom perpetually, unseen by passers-by.
Solution #1:
Randomize order of proposed solutions in Brainstorm
Display the solutions in random order.
This way is fairer, since solutions will be equally prominently displayed on average, so each will get a similar amount of peer evaluation.
Display the solutions in random order.
This way is fairer, since solutions will be equally prominently displayed on average, so each will get a similar amount of peer evaluation.
Solution #2:
Display solutions in reverse chronological order
Newer solutions (which need to be evaluated) will be at the top.
Newer solutions (which need to be evaluated) will be at the top.
Solution #3:
Display solutions in reverse order of negative votes
New solutions will start out at the top, but really bad ones will move quickly to the bottom.
New solutions will start out at the top, but really bad ones will move quickly to the bottom.
Solution #4:
Same as Solution #2, but add links at the start to quickly jump
Written by
Aielyn the 19 Oct 10 at 07:11.
As Solution #2 says, show solutions in reverse chronological order. But to make it easier, especially in cases with larger numbers of solutions, have a display at the top of the solution section with just the solution number and solution title, and clicking it jumps you down to the respective solution. The solution links would be in chronological order. Perhaps also provide a mechanism for including links to solutions within other solutions or within comments.
For the sake of saving some space if desired, add an option on a user's account allowing them to "hide" the solution links. They would be shown by default.
As Solution #2 says, show solutions in reverse chronological order. But to make it easier, especially in cases with larger numbers of solutions, have a display at the top of the solution section with just the solution number and solution title, and clicking it jumps you down to the respective solution. The solution links would be in chronological order. Perhaps also provide a mechanism for including links to solutions within other solutions or within comments.
For the sake of saving some space if desired, add an option on a user's account allowing them to "hide" the solution links. They would be shown by default.
Solution #5:
Solution #2, but only as default, let user choose preference
Written by
Aielyn the 21 Oct 10 at 17:24.
So unregistered visitors and those who haven't set their preference would see solutions in reverse chronological order, while registered users would be able to choose their preferred ordering, from the following:
- Reverse Chronological Order (default)
- Chronological Order
- Reverse Total Vote Count (positive, negative, and neutral combined)
- Total Vote Count
- Order by net vote (positive minus negative)
- Order by net vote, reversed (negatives on top)
- Randomised Order
- Positive Vote Count Order (most positive votes on top)
- Reverse Negative Vote Count Order (most negative votes on bottom)
Perhaps also provide a selector somewhere on the page to change the setting for the current session.
So unregistered visitors and those who haven't set their preference would see solutions in reverse chronological order, while registered users would be able to choose their preferred ordering, from the following:
- Reverse Chronological Order (default)
- Chronological Order
- Reverse Total Vote Count (positive, negative, and neutral combined)
- Total Vote Count
- Order by net vote (positive minus negative)
- Order by net vote, reversed (negatives on top)
- Randomised Order
- Positive Vote Count Order (most positive votes on top)
- Reverse Negative Vote Count Order (most negative votes on bottom)
Perhaps also provide a selector somewhere on the page to change the setting for the current session.
Solution #6:
Add option to move voted to bottom.
As PaddyLandau has pointed out in the comments, solutions have a flow. Anything that breaks that flow should be optional.
Chronological order should remain default.
That said, there should be an /option/ to move voted solutions to the bottom of the idea, revealing the remaining unvoted at the top.
As PaddyLandau has pointed out in the comments, solutions have a flow. Anything that breaks that flow should be optional.
Chronological order should remain default.
That said, there should be an /option/ to move voted solutions to the bottom of the idea, revealing the remaining unvoted at the top.
Solution #7:
Add option to display solutions in reverse chronological order.
Same as Solution #2 but not as default.
Same as Solution #2 but not as default.
Solution #8:
Add an 'Ideas with new solutions' section to the dashboard.
Add a section to 'My dashboard' that contains ideas that you have voted for that have new solutions since you last visited the idea's page.
This may help newer solutions to get some of the exposure that the older solutions got.
Add a section to 'My dashboard' that contains ideas that you have voted for that have new solutions since you last visited the idea's page.
This may help newer solutions to get some of the exposure that the older solutions got.
Unclear Solution Progress
Written by ChrisB the 12 Apr 10 at 16:57.
Category: Website structure.
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When a idea is marked as implemented or in development all the solutions are marked as such. This is surely not true and misleading in most cases.
Idea Lifetimes
Written by ChrisB the 21 Feb 10 at 13:17.
Category: Others.
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Ideas expire. Some of the the ideas on ubuntu brainstorm no longer apply or have not received any interest.
Solution #2:
Idea Graveyard
Written by
ChrisB the 21 Feb 10 at 20:30.
Ideas should be kept, but if considered appropriate by a moderator or idea reviewer moved out of the popular ideas section to a graveyard section, tucked away from the main area of the website.
You should still be able to interact with ideas in the graveyard and ideas would be moved out of the graveyard it deemed necessary by a moderator or an idea reviewer.
A "Report as dead" button should also be added.
Ideas should be kept, but if considered appropriate by a moderator or idea reviewer moved out of the popular ideas section to a graveyard section, tucked away from the main area of the website.
You should still be able to interact with ideas in the graveyard and ideas would be moved out of the graveyard it deemed necessary by a moderator or an idea reviewer.
A "Report as dead" button should also be added.
Solution #3:
Solution #2, based on algorithms
Reading the solution #1, I had some ideas of how to use one (or some) algorithms to evaluate the ideas that will (or not) to the cemetery. In this case, the use of these algorithms complements the use of the media to report ideas, such as spam, Irrelevant, etc.:
- All ideas will have a "Trash for Proposals", a separate section of proposals for each idea, accessible by one click. There are proposals that received more than 60% of negative (it can vary, of course - or you can use other criteria, the idea remains the same), or inactive proposals (which were a time without receiving votes);
- Proposals that are inactive were more than 6 months without further votes (this time can vary, of course). Unlike the proposals removed by negative votes, proposals inactive may be reactivated if any User vote for her - in case the proposal back to home the idea in question;
- The ideas that are no longer in active proposals (all are removed by negative votes or are inactive) are going to the Graveyard of Ideas - where do not leave. Things still appear in the cemetery in the polls - especially those on the time to suggest new ideas, so if you already have a similar idea in the cemetery, the User know what happened.
Things still appear in the cemetery in the polls - especially those on the time to suggest new ideas, so if you already have a similar idea in the cemetery, the User know what happened.
PS.: I'm sorry for any mistakes in English.
Reading the solution #1, I had some ideas of how to use one (or some) algorithms to evaluate the ideas that will (or not) to the cemetery. In this case, the use of these algorithms complements the use of the media to report ideas, such as spam, Irrelevant, etc.:
- All ideas will have a "Trash for Proposals", a separate section of proposals for each idea, accessible by one click. There are proposals that received more than 60% of negative (it can vary, of course - or you can use other criteria, the idea remains the same), or inactive proposals (which were a time without receiving votes);
- Proposals that are inactive were more than 6 months without further votes (this time can vary, of course). Unlike the proposals removed by negative votes, proposals inactive may be reactivated if any User vote for her - in case the proposal back to home the idea in question;
- The ideas that are no longer in active proposals (all are removed by negative votes or are inactive) are going to the Graveyard of Ideas - where do not leave. Things still appear in the cemetery in the polls - especially those on the time to suggest new ideas, so if you already have a similar idea in the cemetery, the User know what happened.
Things still appear in the cemetery in the polls - especially those on the time to suggest new ideas, so if you already have a similar idea in the cemetery, the User know what happened.
PS.: I'm sorry for any mistakes in English.
Solution #4:
Don't change anything; keep all ideas
Written by
stoffel the 23 Feb 10 at 21:29.
Even though the idea content may not be relevant anymore, the thinking process can still be valuable. People who read such an old idea with solutions might be inspired and apply the same thinking to the current Ubuntu.
As brainstorming is about quantity (NOT quality!!!), it would be a very bad idea to delete or hide old ideas; old ideas are as valuable as new ideas.
Even though the idea content may not be relevant anymore, the thinking process can still be valuable. People who read such an old idea with solutions might be inspired and apply the same thinking to the current Ubuntu.
As brainstorming is about quantity (NOT quality!!!), it would be a very bad idea to delete or hide old ideas; old ideas are as valuable as new ideas.
Solution #5:
How about making an old ideas section?
Written by
ki4jgt the 1 Mar 10 at 07:55.
Idea graveyard?? same thing, but the old ideas section would allow people to see the ideas and once someone read it and voted yes on it. it would go back to popular ideas.
We've all had ideas that were really good, but for some reason, got pushed behind some other better ones and then no one knows about them.
I also think, to be fair, the ideas need to be randomly generated at each page load, so that the users can see new, old ideas.
Idea graveyard?? same thing, but the old ideas section would allow people to see the ideas and once someone read it and voted yes on it. it would go back to popular ideas.
We've all had ideas that were really good, but for some reason, got pushed behind some other better ones and then no one knows about them.
I also think, to be fair, the ideas need to be randomly generated at each page load, so that the users can see new, old ideas.
Solution #6:
Relative Idea Repo Graveyard??
Ideas could be moved to a Graveyard, looked over from time to time, and then raised from the dead to relive their original kindrid spirits as a part of another idea or a combination of ideas. Things are going parallel, so why not do the same with old or dead ideas? Perhaps someone else has the last piece of your puzzle..
Ideas could be moved to a Graveyard, looked over from time to time, and then raised from the dead to relive their original kindrid spirits as a part of another idea or a combination of ideas. Things are going parallel, so why not do the same with old or dead ideas? Perhaps someone else has the last piece of your puzzle..